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I think Islam is a totalitarian ideology with a religious facet.

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
Many claim that the word "He spread the" means made spherical or oval, and as usual, this is the word of the elders who spread the ignorant and lying between the poor Muslims who are victims of these elders ignorant and believe them without any research behind them, here we show the meaning spoke "He spread" in the complex ancient Arabic dictionaries, we beseech to look for meaning in the old and new books are not written by Sheikh shadows and Satan, the Lord bless
This talk scholars
An-naziat verse 30
He spread the earth
Make it any flat
They spread the word because the settlement means
That is why in the Holy Land flat, not spherical

I quoted you a different verse, one in which the word egg in arabic is used to describe the shape of the earth

You have quoted a separate verse talking about the earth as a big enough place for mankind to multiply, work, love, study etc.There is no mention of the shape of the planet. So again, I ask you, why do you ignore the verse I quoted? And where is the verse which states, categorically, that the earth is flat?
 

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
@Tomorrows_Child
And sperm coming from the tip of the spine, and humans being made of clay, and the heavens and the earth "splitting in two". . .

Honestly, there have been countless "scientific miracles in the Quran" threads on this site, that universally always end up debunked rather thoroughly. The Muslims who continue to perpetuate the "scientific miracles" myth should simply be honest and accept that their religion and scripture relies on faith, not science.

I have never read about the sperm so I'll leave that out.You can maybe quote me the exact verse.

But, in terms of mankind being made of clay, if you had even studied basic biology in college or university, you would know that we are made up of almost every element present in soil. the origins of clay. In fact, I knew this before I had even studied biology and I put my hands up in a biology class, when the lecturer was talking about the similarities between the constituent elements of the sea and how close they are to a human being, I asked her do we not have more similarity to soil? She replied yes. And...the very next slide was on the lecture.

You are debunking nothing and just trouncing over the very basics of science which I learned as a teenager.
 

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
It is an accurate statement. It doesn't take any special equipment to discover the earth is round and rotates around the sun, only keen observation.

With the Koran, many of the "scientific" statements are either blatantly false or were well known by certain peoples of the time. Really, it's more of a fault of today's time in assuming that everyone of ages past were dumb and illiterate. The Quran states a geocentric model of the solar system, it says stars are missiles for devils, it has a sky that can be rolled up and a sun that can be folded, and there is also that bit about salt and fresh waters not mixing.

Your first statement is entirely wrong. One can not simply look into the horizon and state "the earth is round". In fact, to the naked eye, it looks flat. Unless your super girl or something. It took many years of scientific study, by arabs, europeans and many other people to come to the conclusion that the earth was round, thus proving the thesis, if you could call it that, in the Quran. This required people from numerous different specialties within physics to combine their knowledge across centuries of study.

But let us say, the Babylonians had said all this, which is pretty difficult to state in the first place as there are only a handful of surviving tablets, which even historians will admit only provide a slight insight into Babylonian astronomy, which actually speaks more about planets as Godly bodies and how different planets, foretell different omens i.e. one is good luck, another is back luck, others help with crops etc etc. I once again go back to the copying aspect, if the muslims, during the time of the Prophet PBUH actually found these tablets in the first place, only discovered many centuries after the revelation of the Quran, how they knew to copy the right stuff? (shape of the planet) and to leave out all the godly planets and good/bad omens, considering Islam teaches the opposite, that no planet or star can reveal an individuals fortune. They were really lucky copiers right?

I'm curious, what are these false scientific revelations in the Quran? Name me 1.

You talk about stars as missiles, the Quran does not state stars as missiles but rather shooting stars, which we know to be meteors or meteor fragments. But this is not a scientific revelation, the Quran is also a book of religion and we in our religion believe in Allah's creation simply beyond humans and what we see on earth. There are Jinn, or as you call them, devils. But Jinn can be good or bad, having free will like us humans. This is not a verse related to a scientific phenomena but one related to the spiritual side of things. So it's irrelevant to a scientific argument of the Quran.

And then you say the Quran preaches a geocentric model of the solar system. Do you really believe that or is it from an ignorance of what the Quran states. I hope it is and not just a blatant lie. Because the Quran states, that the earth move, as do the sun and the moon. This little verse in itself disproves the geocentric model, as the earth is the center of solar system. The earth is supposed to stay still in this model. That is not the case with the Quran. So where is the geocentric model you claim?
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
So, does it mean that icehorse is a totalitarian too just against islam? Am I wrong?
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
I quoted you a different verse, one in which the word egg in arabic is used to describe the shape of the earth

You have quoted a separate verse talking about the earth as a big enough place for mankind to multiply, work, love, study etc.There is no mention of the shape of the planet. So again, I ask you, why do you ignore the verse I quoted? And where is the verse which states, categorically, that the earth is flat?
(Linguistic connotation Daho ground
(Aldho) in Arabic is the tide, rugs, diction, said :( Dha) thing (Adhoh) (Dhawwa) and unrolled any time, or speech and rolling, It is said :( Dha) rain gravel from the face of the earth; any rolling and washed, and said: over the Persians (Adho) (Dhawwa) if dragged his hand on the ground face Vidho soil and (praising) is the subject of ostrich eggs, and (Adhaha) position, which spawn in it.)Quranic texts short which strongly supports the concept that the earth is flat, not spherical and explain .. He spread the expression that you ran away from him ... and I will give you a certificate Quran and what is intended He spread the wordThe earth is flat: =

In Al-Ghashiyah: =

And the earth, how it is spread (20)

Earth mattress: =

In Sura 22In Ash-Shams 6 says: =
And the earth and Tahaha (6)
Tahah unrolled like Dha and except for the door
 

outhouse

Atheistically
But, in terms of mankind being made of clay, if you had even studied basic biology in college or university, you would know that we are made up of almost every element present in soil.

And if you studied credible academia you would know we are also made up from pieces of blown up stars.

How much do you want to pervert science to meet your religious bias?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
You are debunking nothing and just trouncing over the very basics of science which I learned as a teenager.

Islam has been criticized for its modern scientific understanding

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_science

In the Muslim world today, most of the focus on the relation between Islam and science involves scientific interpretations of the Quran (and sometimes the Sunna) that claim to show that these sources make prescient statements about the nature of the universe, biological development and other phenomena later confirmed by scientific research, thus demonstrating proof of the divine origin of the Qur'an (and sometimes the Sunna). This effort has been criticized by some scientists and philosophers as containing logical fallacies,[1] being unscientific, likely to be disproven by evolving scientific theories.[2][3]
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I have never read about the sperm so I'll leave that out.You can maybe quote me the exact verse.

But, in terms of mankind being made of clay, if you had even studied basic biology in college or university, you would know that we are made up of almost every element present in soil. the origins of clay. In fact, I knew this before I had even studied biology and I put my hands up in a biology class, when the lecturer was talking about the similarities between the constituent elements of the sea and how close they are to a human being, I asked her do we not have more similarity to soil? She replied yes. And...the very next slide was on the lecture.

You are debunking nothing and just trouncing over the very basics of science which I learned as a teenager.
How about the one about salt water and fresh water not mixing? You keep ignoring this one for some reason.
 

Useless2015

Active Member
Was known long before your self proclaimed prophets plagiarized the bibles mythology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_mythology

Islam incorporates many Biblical events and heroes into its own mythology. Stories about Musa (Moses)[1] and Ibrahim (Abraham)[2] form parts of Islam's scriptures
No. You got it all wrong again, the Bible is filled with contradictions and polytheism. The Quran is about pure Monotheism. Also the Quran is not a book like the bible. The Quran needs to be recited and the sound of the Quran alone is enough to make hearts tremble. The bible is like the Hadith, dull narratives which contradict each other every chapter over and over again.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
I have never read about the sperm so I'll leave that out.You can maybe quote me the exact verse"

Surah 86:5-7:

"So let man observe from what he was created. He was created from a fluid, ejected. Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs."

There's another "scientific miracle" for the pile, along with the seawater one.

But, in terms of mankind being made of clay, if you had even studied basic biology in college or university, you would know that we are made up of almost every element present in soil. the origins of clay. In fact, I knew this before I had even studied biology and I put my hands up in a biology class, when the lecturer was talking about the similarities between the constituent elements of the sea and how close they are to a human being, I asked her do we not have more similarity to soil? She replied yes. And...the very next slide was on the lecture.

Given that we are made of elements of the universe, I think it's a bit bizarre for the authors of the Quran to specifically say clay. Realistically speaking, if I tell you I have a "dog made from clay" that I wish to sell you, are you honestly telling me you'd assume it was a real dog, and not a clay toy one?

It never ceases to amaze me how far people will bend backwards to try and defend their precious beliefs. . . . .
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
I quoted you a different verse, one in which the word egg in arabic is used to describe the shape of the earth

You have quoted a separate verse talking about the earth as a big enough place for mankind to multiply, work, love, study etc.There is no mention of the shape of the planet. So again, I ask you, why do you ignore the verse I quoted? And where is the verse which states, categorically, that the earth is flat?[/QUOTEI
i have provided more evidence of flat land in the verses of the Koran
So why you not respond to this
I repeat to you that He spread the word دحاها means make it flat]
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
I have provided more evidence of flat land in the verses of the Koran
So why not respond to this
I repeat to you that He spread the word ]دحاها means make it flat
 
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