Iceland to ban porn on the web because of children

[ManTimeForgot]

because they are selling themselves.

They are selling a part of themselves that no one else has the right to experience.

Atheletes sell themselves all the time, unless you mean to say that you object to someone selling sexual parts of their lives...?

And if No One Else has the right to experience that part of of themselves, then exactly how are babies born?


Sex is a natural act. Nudity is the state we find ourselves when born. Exactly where does the "naughtiness" enter into that? My parents had sex to get beget me. They had a great time doing it. I was born nude through no fault of my own, and nudity does not make people "bad" else nudist colonies would suddenly be chalk full of criminals.


This is exactly the sort of thing I am talking about when I speak about the Western World's bias against nudity and sexuality.


That is not to say that Porn is all rainbows and puppies. There is indeed quite a bit of exploitation. People that do not give consent or are incapable of giving consent should not have anything they wish to remain private (or that which was within the privacy of their own home) broadcast anywhere. Some of the actions in porn are degrading (both to men and women), but this is true of almost every institution (no large scale agency or body is without its flaws, especially without regulation or oversight).


Violent sex can be something done non-harmfully between consenting and responsible adults, but it is not something that should be shown in porn because not everyone has the necessary maturity and moral framework to make it work for them, which can and does lead to abuse (mostly in women but can be found in men too).


Now, can you lay those indictments at the feet of porn in general? Not really. Irresponsible use of anything benign or even benevolent can lead to misery and suffering. Drink too much water and you can kill yourself. Tie your friend's hands behind his back while spinning him around might seem fun when you are eight years old, but if you do that near a pool you may drown your friend. Everything in moderation, everything considered and used responsibly.

MTF

 

[Pegg]

Atheletes sell themselves all the time, unless you mean to say that you object to someone selling sexual parts of their lives...?

And if No One Else has the right to experience that part of of themselves, then exactly how are babies born?


Sex is a natural act. Nudity is the state we find ourselves when born. Exactly where does the "naughtiness" enter into that? My parents had sex to get beget me. They had a great time doing it. I was born nude through no fault of my own, and nudity does not make people "bad" else nudist colonies would suddenly be chalk full of criminals.


This is exactly the sort of thing I am talking about when I speak about the Western World's bias against nudity and sexuality.

i have no issue with sex and nudity. Pornography is not about making babies. Its about self gratification at someone else expense. I think that is exploitation.

That is not to say that Porn is all rainbows and puppies. There is indeed quite a bit of exploitation. People that do not give consent or are incapable of giving consent should not have anything they wish to remain private (or that which was within the privacy of their own home) broadcast anywhere. Some of the actions in porn are degrading (both to men and women), but this is true of almost every institution (no large scale agency or body is without its flaws, especially without regulation or oversight).

agreed.

 

[Skwim]

i dont think any amount of money can justly enumerate the sale of oneself.

And acting in porn is somehow selling oneself whereas acting in a Ronco Pocket Fisherman commercial isn't? Please explain the difference. Or is it that the selling part comes into play when sexual
organs are involved? (Actually, as I pointed out in an earlier post, we all essentially "sell ourselves" when we work for remuneration.)

No one should be brought down to such a level.

Much the same could also be said for people who abuse their bodies in contact sports. So, it looks like the issue isn't a rational one, but one of personal preference. Evidently you don't like people making money by having sex,* therefore doing so is deplorable (bringing oneself down).

Im pretty sure that a womans value is far greater then any amount they are paid to perform the way they do.

Are you saying then that Pegg's valuation of human behavior is better than anyone elses? That no woman can decide for herself what kind of price she's willing to put on her participation in porno? That such a value judgement must coincide with that of Pegg?

Peace of mind and respect for oneself is priceless.

And again, such respect either matches that of Pegg or it isn't real respect. Not saying that you have an inflated idea of your moral perspectives, but you do. I'm just thankful you're not in charge of the

Federal Department of Victorian Morality and Public Good
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* If this is the case, why? Why don't you like people making money by having sex? ♂ and ♀ want to have sex with each other, and they would like to make money doing so. So who is hurting whom?

 

[Pegg]

its not my valuation that matters, but Gods. And frankly, God is the one who has forbidden sexual exploitation. Unfortunately mankind dont follow with that logic and they promote and support that form of exploitation.

its and unfortunate and sad fact about the human psyche.


btw, this thread very much answers the question you raise in your 'nudity' thread. The question is, can you connect the dots?.

 

[Flankerl]

because they are selling themselves.

They are selling a part of themselves that no one else has the right to experience.

No. Its their right to sell their body. Thats not for you to decide.

 

[Riverwolf]

because they are selling themselves.

They are selling a part of themselves that no one else has the right to experience.

Isn't that their choice to make?

 

[Riverwolf]

its not my valuation that matters, but Gods. And frankly, God is the one who has forbidden sexual exploitation. Unfortunately mankind dont follow with that logic and they promote and support that form of exploitation.

its and unfortunate and sad fact about the human psyche.


btw, this thread very much answers the question you raise in your 'nudity' thread. The question is, can you connect the dots?.

God isn't participating in this thread, and so whatever his views are don't matter unless he decides to show up and gives his take.

Others keep pointing out: if all porn is explotive, then all entertainment is exploitive. Trust me: the porn industry is certainly preferable to many than, say, sweat factories. Now THOSE are exploitative.

 

[Knight of Albion]

I say good for Iceland. Though it may be a lot easier said than done....

Porn is exploitative, corrupting and corrosive.

 

[Riverwolf]

I say good for Iceland. Though it may be a lot easier said than done....

Porn is exploitative, corrupting and corrosive.

No more so than any other entertainment.

 

[Riverwolf]

By the way, I have a question.

Even IF we were to regard porn in general as somehow more exploitative than any other entertainment, what, then, do we say about pornographic cartoons, comics, or books? After all, they don't involve real people.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

By the way, I have a question.

Even IF we were to regard porn in general as somehow more exploitative than any other entertainment, what, then, do we say about pornographic cartoons, comics, or books? After all, they don't involve real people.

It's exploiting the 2d world. WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THiNK OF THE CHILDREN??!!

 

[Knight of Albion]

No more so than any other entertainment.

You can hardly compare Internet porn with, say, football...

A lot of Internet porn involves children being sexually abused...A lot of Internet porn involves rape, sometimes its just fantasy acting, sometimes its REAL rape..A lot of Internet porn involves the infliction of pain.
The rest involves people committing lewd and depraved acts for money.

And some people watch that stuff for hours, every day.... What is that doing do their minds and souls?

The thought is master to the deed... 'Keep the mind pure for what a man thinks that he becomes'.

Like I said, exploitative, corrupting and corrosive.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

You can hardly compare Internet porn with, say, football...

A lot of Internet porn involves children being sexually abused...A lot of Internet porn involves rape, sometimes its just fantasy acting, sometimes its REAL rape..A lot of Internet porn involves the infliction of pain.
The rest involves people committing lewd and depraved acts for money.

And some people watch that stuff for hours, every day.... What is that doing do their minds and souls?

The thought is master to the deed... 'Keep the mind pure for what a man thinks that he becomes'.

Like I said, exploitative, corrupting and corrosive.

Then...maybe we should stop treating sexuality as so Taboo. Do people in countries were sexuality is more I guess talked about suffering the same issues?

 

[Riverwolf]

It's exploiting the 2d world. WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THiNK OF THE CHILDREN??!!

^_^

I fully support the 18-21 minimum age to perform in porn, so no children should legally be involved.

 

[Riverwolf]

You can hardly compare Internet porn with, say, football...

Sure, I can. People get hurt in football all the time, and there's also a stereotype that football players are complete morons(which is, of course, nonsense; they're no more or less intelligent than anyone else), yet they're also considered heroes alongisde that stereotype.

When looked at in the same way as a lot of people regard porn, football, therefore, encourages stupidity and barbaric competition.

I'm not a fan of football, but I'll bet you that if I said that with any kind of seriousness, well... ^_^

A lot of Internet porn involves children being sexually abused...A lot of Internet porn involves rape, sometimes its just fantasy acting, sometimes its REAL rape..A lot of Internet porn involves the infliction of pain.

And I shun that kind of porn.

But that's not all porn.

The rest involves people committing lewd and depraved acts for money.

So? That's their choice.

Besides "lewd" and "depraved" are subjective terms; what they mean, exactly, is going to vary from culture to culture.

And some people watch that stuff for hours, every day.... What is that doing do their minds and souls?

Nothing, so long as they recognize that nothing in porn is representative of how sex actually works.

The thought is master to the deed... 'Keep the mind pure for what a man thinks that he becomes'.

On the other hand, suppression leads to madness.

 

[Erebus]

You can hardly compare Internet porn with, say, football...

Come on, we're both Brits, we both know about football hooliganism. If anything football is far more damaging than porn. It promotes us vs them tribal mentality if not all out street warfare. Why do you think there's such a high police presence following big matches?
How about footballers themselves? Not only are they paid substantial amounts of money to perform for the entertainment of others by engaging in what I consider to be an overhyped and disgusting activity, they're also bought and sold on a regular basis. Furthermore not only do children watch football, thereby being subjected to grown men swearing, spitting and often fighting, they're actually encouraged to watch and participate in football because it's apparently good, healthy entertainment.

Oh but what about the people who just enjoy the sport and don't engage in the violence and tribalism it encourages? Surely banning football would be unfair to those people?

Yeah, exactly.

 

[Skwim]

its not my valuation that matters, but Gods. And frankly, God is the one who has forbidden sexual exploitation. Unfortunately mankind dont follow with that logic and they promote and support that form of exploitation.

If your god has forbidden sexual exploitation and you want to go along with your god then I can see your point, but does he forbid sexual exploitation? Chapter and verse would be nice at this point.

its and unfortunate and sad fact about the human psyche.

Having been made in his image, this comes as no surprise.

btw, this thread very much answers the question you raise in your 'nudity' thread. The question is, can you connect the dots?.

And which dots are those? I have an idea that your dots are nothing like mine.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

If your god has forbidden sexual exploitation and you want to go along with your god then I can see your point, but does he forbid sexual exploitation? Chapter and verse would be nice at this point.

Having been made in his image, this comes as no surprise.


And which dots are those? I have an idea that your dots are nothing like mine.

Prostitution was a thing before they were in Egypt. I believe Judah knocked up one of his daughter in laws who pretended to be a prostitute.

 

[Riverwolf]

Come on, we're both Brits, we both know about football hooliganism.

Oh, that football. ^_^

But if what you say is true, it's more or less the same here with American Football, which is what I was talking about.

 

[Erebus]

Oh, that football. ^_^

But if what you say is true, it's more or less the same here with American Football, which is what I was talking about.

Yeah I can imagine. I'll admit I was being somewhat melodramatic, but then that was largely the point Still football (soccer) does cause problems here and to my mind has a much more negative impact on people than most porn.

There are exceptions of course, some porn is extreme, violent and cruel, but like the football hooligans it doesn't constitute a majority.