Iceland to ban porn on the web because of children

[ZooGirl02]

Once again I do believe that all pornography should be banned. Here is what the Catholic Church officially teaches about pornography as put forth in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.

CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2354

2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2396

2211 The political community has a duty to honor the family, to assist it, and to ensure especially: - the freedom to establish a family, have children, and bring them up in keeping with the family's own moral and religious convictions;
- the protection of the stability of the marriage bond and the institution of the family;
- the freedom to profess one's faith, to hand it on, and raise one's children in it, with the necessary means and institutions;
- the right to private property, to free enterprise, to obtain work and housing, and the right to emigrate;
- in keeping with the country's institutions, the right to medical care, assistance for the aged, and family benefits;
- the protection of security and health, especially with respect to dangers like drugs, pornography, alcoholism, etc.;
- the freedom to form associations with other families and so to have representation before civil authority.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 3 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 2 ARTICLE 4

 

[oldbadger]

The "undress you with their eyes" is an old cliche that has little basis in fact. Believe me, or not, but few men ever bother to do this.

I was a victim of this only yesterday on the Whitstable - Canterbury bus. Three women just sat there together on the side bench, staring me into nakedness. I could feel their eyes ripping my jeans and T-shirt to pieces. One got so excited she dropped her bus pass and I had to retrieve it for her from under a seat. As I performed this act of courtesy one of them squawked 'Cor.... look.... builder's bum!' ...... it was just all too terrible.

But.... apart from that, would you agree that countries should 'police' the internet, and even snoop on emails? If it identifies criminals and terrorists, why not?

 

[Sha'irullah]

Once again I do believe that all pornography should be banned. Here is what the Catholic Church officially teaches about pornography as put forth in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:



CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2354



CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2396



Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 3 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 2 ARTICLE 4

This is where I become insulted....
Where on earth do you have the right to demand for freedom of religion then desire the banishment of something that the majority of males view based on your religion?
The fact you believe your own religion should espouse unnatural laws on other humans beings is deplorable. This only provides hypocrisy on your part as it means you view yourself as a superior beings yet you deny the most obvious of functions.

2211 The political community has a duty to honor the family, to assist it, and to ensure especially: - the freedom to establish a family, have children, and bring them up in keeping with the family's own moral and religious convictions;
- the protection of the stability of the marriage bond and the institution of the family;
- the freedom to profess one's faith, to hand it on, and raise one's children in it, with the necessary means and institutions;
- the right to private property, to free enterprise, to obtain work and housing, and the right to emigrate;
- in keeping with the country's institutions, the right to medical care, assistance for the aged, and family benefits;
- the protection of security and health, especially with respect to dangers like drugs, pornography, alcoholism, etc.;
- the freedom to form associations with other families and so to have representation before civil authority.

You use the word freedom yet it is just an overly bloated word that in reality means freedom for a particular party. If you do not like porn then do not watch it, as it is not harming you or anyone else except for the actresses and actors who gets STDs. Keep in mind they do this willingly because they wish to be where they are.
Just because your religion despises porn does not mean we have to obey it. I do not abide by Catholic doctrine nor am I restricted in any Catholic institutions of any sort.

Please provide to me the evidence and proof of where porn harms people besides fulfilling the inert desires of men.
Considering the fact you believe in marriage which is not even a natural biological union and just a lawful action I heavily doubt you have realized that sexual activity occurs younger in human beings then 18.

 

[Skwim]

I was a victim of this only yesterday on the Whitstable - Canterbury bus. Three women just sat there together on the side bench, staring me into nakedness. I could feel their eyes ripping my jeans and T-shirt to pieces. One got so excited she dropped her bus pass and I had to retrieve it for her from under a seat. As I performed this act of courtesy one of them squawked 'Cor.... look.... builder's bum!' ...... it was just all too terrible.

But.... apart from that, would you agree that countries should 'police' the internet, and even snoop on emails? If it identifies criminals and terrorists, why not?

Nope. It might identify more than just criminals and terrorists, like those who: favor abortion, are into prostitution, assist in suicides, are in favor of legalizing pot, are minors who sex-text, or go topless in public.

 

[Pagan_Patriot]

I'm happy they are taking a stand, though I don't know if right for them to ban the magazines that the older crowd buys, but I guess that can end up in kids' hands too.

 

[Riverwolf]

But.... apart from that, would you agree that countries should 'police' the internet, and even snoop on emails? If it identifies criminals and terrorists, why not?

Could potentially make criminals out of the innocent.

 

[Sunstone]

would you agree that countries should 'police' the internet, and even snoop on emails? If it identifies criminals and terrorists, why not?

Not without due process and warrants.

 

[ManTimeForgot]

...not everyone can be Sunstone )

So, you're saying there's hope for humanity, then?



I'm not sure they can. But lately, I've been hearing that children can form expectations of what sex should be, and of what the relations between people should be, from porn. For instance, I've heard it said that male children exposed to porn form unrealistic expectations of how women ought to behave. Expectations that lead them to later on have dysfunctional sex lives.

Now, I don't know whether any of that is true, or whether it's just more of the usual nonsense that seems to surround all things sexual. But I'm curious about it.

This sort of argument sounds to me like a question of parenting not a question of pornography. Barbie dolls present an unrealistic depiction of women and might contribute towards unrealistic self-expectations regarding body morphology. If parents want to allow their children the unmitigated freedoms to explore the web without supervision (and thus not have to bother with explaining what they find) or to play with whatever they want (and not put what the children learn from said toys into context), then the parents are obviously doing something wrong.


With all that said I think the western world has a puritanical Christian bias towards (sex is evil and should instead be substituted with abject spirituality) even to this day, so I think such efforts are misguided. Addressing phantom symptoms or faulty thinking in believing something to be a cause of a problem when in reality something else is the cause are what happens when any bias is allowed unfettered influence over any decision making, and in this case I am fairly confidant that that is in fact taking place.



Don't want people to have crazy unrealistic expectations about the human body? Solution: Don't make nudity such a taboo. Don't want people to have crazy unrealistic expectations about sex? Solution: Don't make sex and sexuality such a taboo. Allow for open discussion and recognition.

Nudist colonies don't turn people into rampaging rapist pedophiles. Let people see the natural existence/consequence of sex and sexuality and I seriously doubt you end up with a bunch of porn addicts or demonstrably evil sex fetishists (snuff films anyone?).

MTF

 

[Pegg]

"Iceland's bid to ban web porn: Nation could become first western country to block filth over fears of effects on children

Iceland could become the first Western democracy to block all internet porn under radical new proposals.

Spoiler: Images of porn

Fears about the damaging effects on children have led the government to work on legal measures to try and stop the flood of graphic sexual material reaching the island’s shores.

This argument - that porn violates the rights of both women who appear in it and children who are exposed to it - is the cornerstone of the new proposals under discussion."
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My question: Just what women and children's rights are violated by porn? If women willingly pose for porn where's the harm? And if children happen upon porn what are these "damaging effects"?

women who pose for porn are being exploited. It doesnt matter that they are being paid...thats usually where exploitation begins.

waving a carrot to make someone dance is exploitation.

 

[Riverwolf]

women who pose for porn are being exploited. It doesnt matter that they are being paid...thats usually where exploitation begins.

waving a carrot to make someone dance is exploitation.

What if they love doing it?

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

What if they love doing it?

Shh, no one can love having sex on camera!

But from what I've heard from porn stars a lot of them joined because they needed quick cash and also have family issues.

But there are also some who just love the shaf...i mean craft.

 

[Riverwolf]

But from what I've heard from porn stars a lot of them joined because they needed quick cash and also have family issues.

And that's unfortunate, indeed. They shouldn't have to resort to that, especially since there are definitely exploitative porn companies (which I think should absolutely be illegal) which can put them in situations where they are worse off than before.

I fully believe that porn should be on the terms of ALL involved, including the women.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

And that's unfortunate, indeed. They shouldn't have to resort to that, especially since there are definitely exploitative porn companies (which I think should absolutely be illegal) which can put them in situations where they are worse off than before.

I fully believe that porn should be on the terms of ALL involved, including the women.

Yeah it's really hard to describe the reasons people go into pornography.

It is rare though to find one who has gone into porn who comes from a family that can support their financial needs.

Though I guess Laurence Fishburns daughter comes to mind.

 

[Riverwolf]

Yeah it's really hard to describe the reasons people go into pornography.

It is rare though to find one who has gone into porn who comes from a family that can support their financial needs.

Though I guess Laurence Fishburns daughter comes to mind.

There's a documentary I saw called "After Porn Ends" that is all about women (and some men) who, at the times of the interviews, were ex-actresses, though the end texts point out that a few of them returned to the industry due to financial hardships. Most of them, if I remember correctly, are from low-income families.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

There's a documentary I saw called "After Porn Ends" that is all about women (and some men) who, at the times of the interviews, were ex-actresses, though the end texts point out that a few of them returned to the industry due to financial hardships. Most of them, if I remember correctly, are from low-income families.

It's a lucrative industry and our society makes it so.

I'm a believer that if you remove the need for a problem to exist then you dont' have to actually try to fix that problem.

In America that need is poverty (and the world but i've only been here and haiti so i can't talk for others), if you remove poverty then you reduce the amount of people who go into these industries like porn or erotic dancing.

That way you leave it to the people who do it for the "art" and their own enjoyment and these people turn it into an elite niche which makes it something "special"

 

[Riverwolf]

It's a lucrative industry and our society makes it so.

I'm a believer that if you remove the need for a problem to exist then you dont' have to actually try to fix that problem.

In America that need is poverty (and the world but i've only been here and haiti so i can't talk for others), if you remove poverty then you reduce the amount of people who go into these industries like porn or erotic dancing.

That way you leave it to the people who do it for the "art" and their own enjoyment and these people turn it into an elite niche which makes it something "special"

That would be nice.

 

[Sunstone]

women who pose for porn are being exploited. It doesnt matter that they are being paid...thats usually where exploitation begins.

waving a carrot to make someone dance is exploitation.

Why is paying someone to dance still exploitation in any meaningful sense? And, if it is, Pegg, what meaningful sense is that?

 

[Skwim]

women who pose for porn are being exploited. It doesnt matter that they are being paid...thats usually where exploitation begins.

waving a carrot to make someone dance is exploitation.

And no one is waving a cash carrot in front of anyone else to get them to work? Give us a break. Exploitation only happens when people aren't justly remunerated for what they do. Want to work for $7.99 an hour at Walmart instead of $2,000 a day on a porn shoot? Your choice, but if anyone is being exploited I think it's the Walmart worker.

 

[Pegg]

Why is paying someone to dance still exploitation in any meaningful sense? And, if it is, Pegg, what meaningful sense is that?

because they are selling themselves.

They are selling a part of themselves that no one else has the right to experience.

 

[Pegg]

And no one is waving a cash carrot in front of anyone else to get them to work? Give us a break. Exploitation only happens when people aren't justly remunerated for what they do. Want to work for $7.99 an hour at Walmart instead of $2,000 a day on a porn shoot? Your choice, but if anyone is being exploited I think it's the Walmart worker.

i dont think any amount of money can justly enumerate the sale of oneself.

No one should be brought down to such a level. Im pretty sure that a womans value is far greater then any amount they are paid to perform the way they do.
Peace of mind and respect for oneself is priceless.