rosends
Well-Known Member
I showed how this is your position. Why would I ever claim that anything can justify hamas's behavior? You are very, very confused.
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IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital
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Of course and a rhetorical question .. "The Hague is too good for Bibi" .. major war criminal in same league as Biden. Kind of a no brainer that one but, who cares about my opinion on the matter !? .. which is why I posted that Opinion from the Irish Delegation at the UN .. and the and the Apartheid designation from Human Rights Watch ..
The Illegal occupation and crimes against humanity have been going on for far too long .. from the Nakba Ethnic Cleansing - Nakba 1948: Ethnic Cleansing of Cities, Towns and Villages
Nakba 1948: Ethnic Cleansing of Cities, Towns and Villages
Special Focus | II: Ethnic Cleansing of Cities, Towns and Villages This second installment of our three-part series of Journal of Palestine Studies articles on the Nakba focuses on the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian cities, towns, and villages. One of the most pointed challenges faced by...
www.palestine-studies.org
continued war crimes and slaughter over the years -- Getting so bad at some points .. Israeli Pilots banded together and refused to continue slaughtering innocent civilians .. same thing as now .. leveling entire buildings full of civilians 50% children with 1000 lb bombs claiming some bad guy they were after went in there. such actions called out by the UN as war crimes .. to many times to count over the decades.
Extra Extra .. read all about it .. Israeli pilots refuse to fly assassination missions
The 27 pilots sent a letter to the commander of Israel's airforce refusing to carry out duties, which include track and kill operations, in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. One of the pilots told Israeli television that the letter said: "We, veteran pilots and active pilots alike...are opposed to carrying out illegal and immoral attacks, of the type carried out by Israel in the territories.
"We, who have been educated to love the state of Israel refuse to take part in airforce attacks in civilian population centres. We refuse to continue harming innocent civilians." Israeli pilots refuse to fly assassination missions.
Dirty deeds .. this latest atrocity just a contiuation of a 7 decade long war crime and crime against humanity.
No you didn't .. but it matters not as regardless .. I told you 4 times now that I do not agree with your position that attacks on civilians / collective punishment is justified by arguing "Human Sheilds"
and this is exactly your argument .. You have been apologizing up and down for Israels war crimes- collective punishment of innocent civilians, 50% babies .. claiming Israel's action was justified on the basis that these innocent civilians were being used as "Human Shields."
Then go back to understanding definitions and stop being a propagandist.
Are you a believer in communism? Do you hate Jews? Just asking trying to understand the root of your propaganda
rosends
Well-Known Member
So now you are attributing to me, using the wrong wording, a position I don't hold regardless of the direct quote of yours which i have presented. Will your intellectual dishonesty ever end?
Your position was not changed .. .. You claimed that Israel's slaughter of civilians in Gaza was justified on the basis that they were being used as Human Shields by Hamas.
Is this your position or is it not ? and do lose the "Intellectual dishonesty" projecting your failings onto others .. and so there is no confusion .. the quotation marks mean these are your words .. not mind .. the "Human Sheild" argument .. your justification for atrocity .. not mine.
You posted a link to nothing ? and then cry out personal invective - without addressing the topic. Doing nothing but hiding out in tree tops, shouting out rude names does not qualify as an argument in the Adult room Kenny .. and no I do not want to sign onto what ever version of communism in which you believe.
Just because the Israeli Army is committing massive war crimes against the Palestinians is not a reason to hate all Jews - a whole lot of Jews have Joined or even started the protest against the Ethnic Cleansing and Crimes against Humanity.. one of the links given to you "Human Rights Watch" .. calling out the Apartheid State - is headed by well respected Jewish fellow who we should not hate because of Bibi's War Crimes.
Do you understand the Rule of Law principle -- one person is not to be punished for the actions of another ? This is why you should not hate all Jews on the basis of the Israeli Army atrocities .. and why the collective punishment of the Palestinians by the Israeli Army is a war crime.
rosends
Well-Known Member
I never said that. You said it justifies Hamas' killing of Israeli civilians. Remember, you wrote
"Human Sheild" argument does justify the killing of Israeli Civilians by Hamas
note how you you clearly wrote that the argument justifies killing ISRAELI CIVILIANS BY HAMAS. When did I ever say that the use of human shields justifies the "slaughter of civilians in Gaza"? I didn't.
sorry… let me try again.
I will attempt to:
noun
- An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites.
hmm… no apartheid here
Why this Muslim Arab joined Israel's military
Sgt. Yossef Saluta admits that his friends gave him "a strange look" when he decided to serve in the IDF.www.nbcnews.com
An Arab Supreme Court justice Khaled Kabub sworn in as Israeli Supreme Court’s first Muslim justice
hmm… no apartheid here
Arab business success and opportunity in Israel: Meet five of the richest Israeli Arab families
hmm.. no apartheid here...
Arabs in Israel politics.. 'It's Possible to Do Things Differently.' The Arab Kingmaker Who Joined Israel's Far-Right to Oust Netanyahu
hmm… no apartheid here
Please use the definitions correctly
Not if it is like you
So… if you can quit the propaganda and use definitions correctly… then we can go somewhere
You used the Human Sheild argument to justify the killing of civilians by Israel Yes/No .. the answer is YES.
You are just having trouble understanding that in justifying Israel's collective punishment of the Palestinians .. you tried to justify the collective punishment of Palestinians by the IDF as follows .. blaming the deaths of civilians on Hamas using Human Sheilds.
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Perhaps one more time you might try again -- this time addressing the topic in some way shape or form .. you were conflating Bibi's war crimes with Hating all Jews last time we left off. - Just because the Israeli Army is committing massive war crimes against the Palestinians is not a reason to hate all Jews - a whole lot of Jews have Joined or even started protests against the Ethnic Cleansing and Crimes against Humanity.
One of the links given to you "Human Rights Watch" .. calling out the Apartheid State - is headed by well respected Jewish fellow who we should not hate because of Bibi's War Crimes .. this is a violation of the rule of law principle.
So Just as the Jew calling out the Israeli Apartheid State does not mean this person hates Jews .. the President of South Africa calling Israel an Apartheid state does not mean that he hates all Jews.
Little Dragon
Well-Known Member
Thank you for answering that.
This is a good analogy, despite your opinion. It is entirely applicable.
The point I am making is quite clear.
rosends
Well-Known Member
The answer is no. Thanks for playing.
Notice how easily I am able to quote exactly what you wrote ("Human Sheild" argument does justify the killing of Israeli Civilians by Hamas)
but you don't quote what I wrote that supports your claim?
Little Dragon
Well-Known Member
The problem you see is that A) A war is fought between nation states. Hamas and Gaza and the Palestinians, are not a nation state.
and B) The two situations are entirely comparable. No matter what you say. Your simple denialism, is easily dismissed.
It does not surprise me to hear a christian, defending unjustifiable aggression. You guys never fail to convince me, that your modern christian theology and morality, is wholly undesirable. It's so toxic and putrid, I can't think of a greater more insidious evil.
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you see… you just ignored the definition
So how can one have a cogent interaction when you ignore definitions? A scientist can say “The earth is flat” and another scientist respects that scientist - should we accept it on the basis of the authority of who they are?
Of course not because the evidence says differently
So, when you can show me where there is “apartheid” when evidence that I presented says otherwise, then whoever says it (including you) is wrong.
I am seriously sickened by "Christians" cheerleading for the Zionist state when Zionism is nothing but blasphemy and heresy that goes against what the Bible says, as well what Christianity and Judaism taught for centuries. Especially when hatred of Christ and Christians is common among Israeli society and among members of the government. They spit on Christians and assault them, and desecrate churches. They bomb churches and kill Christian Palestianians. And these "Christian" Zionist cowards have nothing to say about their own brothers and sisters in Christ being attacked, but rush to defend extremist Jews who hate Christ and Christians. If anything, the God of Abraham is going to destroy that criminal, hubristic affront to Him. I'd honestly advise people to stay away from that country. I have a very bad feeling about the near future there.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I have the long-time habit of using Sunday as my "break point" so as to get out of heated discussions, and I continue that now. I think we all need a break now and then. I post this because some people ask me questions or made points whereas I don't believe carry on such discussions with them leads to anyone's benefit.
You don't respond, anyway, so what's it matter. Even before I was supposedly on "ignore".
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I'm a big fan of the ignore list. It serves as a useful domain for the willfully blind and the woefully ignorant alike, along with a few other categories -- but, mostly, it's a cheap way to avoid the strong temptation to violate forum rules addressing civility.
On the other hand, it does tend to result in seriously tattered threads, i.e., threads laced with holes labelled "You are ignoring content by this member."
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