IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital

[rosends]

Why would the Lukid vote count - in a contest where the uber partisan do not get counted ? .. not an opinion .. Did you not understand the rules of the game ? your lack of understanding of said rules .. is not my opinion Rose.

Somethign else that is not my opinion is this nasty Ethnic Cleansing operation by the Zionist faction and the extreme religious right.. in some unholy union. Something that is my opinion .. The Hague is too good for Bibi and Biden ..

you have stopped making any sense at all and can't seem to follow the logic of your own statements. You made a comment that certain things "don't count" when I disproved your absolutist claim by giving exceptions and now you are talking about "votes"? You have many strange opinions but your lack of comprehension or ability to maintain a focused line of thought is a bigger problem.

 

[Sargonski]

So now you are admitting you did say that using human shields justifies Hamas's attacks on civilians.

Then you didn't watch the video and don't know what "ethnic cleansing" is. People are happy and populations grow. That's cleansing?

So you don't know the text? You don't know WHY God commended the biblical era children of Israel to get rid of Amalek? Do you always opine first and then try to find out facts later?

Good grief you have things all confused. It is you who belives attacks on civilians is justified on the basis of human shields .. that was the point of the quotation marks.

Who dosn't know the text ? you were the one who did not know about the Ethnic cleansing of the Amalak and other peoples .. now you try to pin your failings onto me but, none of this matters to the fact that Israel has been engaging in Ethnic Cleansing for 70 years .. which includes the current war crimes - crimes against humanity which contrary to your claims and protestation .. is not justified by human sheilds.

One more time -- in hopes you will understand the 4rth time -- crying out "human sheilds" is not justification for mass slaughter of civilians.

 

[Sargonski]

you have stopped making any sense at all and can't seem to follow the logic of your own statements. You made a comment that certain things "don't count" when I disproved your absolutist claim by giving exceptions and now you are talking about "votes"? You have many strange opinions but your lack of comprehension or ability to maintain a focused line of thought is a bigger problem.

Not my fault you can't make sense out logic and reason -- Lukid vote doesn't count .. just as in court .. the criminal's claim to be not guilty doesn't count .. and no need to be absolutist .. was not a black vs white comment .. for those who understand nuance.

So .. sorry .. Lukids claim that it is not guilty of war crimes does not count in this arena. The Claim of the Irish Delegate addressing the UN counts .. "The Hague is too good for Bibi" -- The claim of the South African President counts -- " an apartheid State" ..

Now .. the quotes means it is the assigned speaker saying this - not me .. you got this confused a few times now so thought to clarify to avoid further confusion .. Not that I don't think the Hague is too good for Bibi .. but just saying .. the Quotes mean this is what the Irish Delegate said .

 

[rosends]

Good grief you have things all confused. It is you who belives attacks on civilians is justified on the basis of human shields .. that was the point of the quotation marks.

Your quotation marks were around the words "human shield" (the latter, iirc, you misspelled). If you meant something else then you need to be more careful.

Who dosn't know the text ?

you

but, none of this matters to the fact that Israel has been engaging in Ethnic Cleansing for 70 years

So then why do you keep bringing it up?

One more time -- in hopes you will understand the 4rth time -- crying out "human sheilds" is not justification for mass slaughter of civilians.

Who said the following:
"Human Sheild" argument does justify the killing of civilians by Hamas

you did. It says what it says.

 

[Revoltingest]

and which if their conclusions and pieces of evidence are you disproving here?

It's histrionic propaganda.
Not worth addressing in detail.

 

[Little Dragon]

What Israel is doing is not "genocide" nor "ethnic cleansing", so using words like that simply doesn't add to the discussion.

We can let the Hague determine that in due course. Should it come to that. I have to inform you that what you think adds or does not add to the discussion is for me to determine, if I am posting it. Do not attempt to censor me Metis. It only makes me more stubborn and more determined to argue the point.

Also, no fly zones" wouldn't stop Hama's missiles, which still continue to be fired into Israel, such as again last night. You get on Israel's case, but you don't deal with the threat that Israel still is facing day to day.

It's not Hamas home made rockets that would be the intended target of a no fly zone. It would primarily be Israeli air forces and any airborne Hamas elements.

If Israel needed additional support in neutralizing such aerial attacks by Hamas. Then I am more than happy for UK and US anti air defence systems to be lent or donated or leased or sold to the IDF.

If Hamas had any concern for its fellow Palestinians, they would stop the fighting and maybe seek refuge in another country. The fact that they haven't should tell you that they simply must be eliminated-- period.

Hamas represents the pain fear and hatred of the Palestinians, until the source of their pain and fear and hate, inequity, is dealt with.
Another will arise in their place. Even if you killed each and every Hamas terrorist today.

 

[Little Dragon]

As long as Gaza indiscriminately shoots rockets into Israel, Israel has every right to rain bombs down on them. So let it rain.

And it's all Hamas' fault.

Uhuh. The Iron Dome is extremely effective. All responses should be intelligent and proportionate.

 

[rosends]

It's histrionic propaganda.
Not worth addressing in detail.

So you leave their points unopposed. Interesting strategy. Let's see how it works out for you.

 

[Little Dragon]

Nobody is arguing that Hamas are humanitarians. You don't have to believe Hamas are the good guys in order to look at this situation, in which Israel is disproportionately targeting and killing civilians while it commits explicit war crimes and say "Gee, it sure seems like this is bad and shouldn't be happening."


And how do you do that, exactly? Because, right now, the only way to "eliminate" Hamas being tried is the total and complete annihilation of the people of Gaza. That's the way this is going. When you respond to terrorism by committing war crimes, you don't reduce the number of terrorists. You increase it. Combine this with Netanyahu's explicit support of Hamas and his cabinet's open calling for genocide and you might start to think that this "elimination of Hamas" is really just a pretext for "eliminating Palestinians".

You don't end terrorism by giving people more reason to join and support terrorists, and there is no excuse for war crimes.


No, they're accurate. What Israel is doing on the West Bank is explicit ethnic cleansing. This, combined with its denial of rights to Palestinians, makes genocide a pretty obvious and inevitable conclusion to anyone observing these events honestly.


Whereas Israel's rockets, which kill far more, are defensive missiles?

I'm not a fan of using terrorism to justify war crimes and genocide. Pointing to Hamas rockets and saying "those bad" says nothing about the ongoing and very explicit crimes being committed by Israel, and say even less about the circumstances the lead to the current conflict. Hamas didn't exist until the eighties and held no political power in Gaza until the mid-2000s. Did all the death, missiles, ethnic displacement and genocide before then not count? Do you not think maybe they might have played a role in Hamas coming to prominence?

I have no patience for people who boldly and bravely declare that the civilians of both Israel and Palestine should have to suffer the consequences of Hamas' terrorism, while simultaneously declaring that Israel's war crimes and their victims on both sides need not be mentioned and are of no consequence.

I refuse to accept this.

Good stuff there. Thank you for helping to vindicate the arguments made. There is no excuse for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Not ever.

 

[Little Dragon]

I have read many posts entrenched with the baloney listed here. You could make a 1 yard sandwich out of this one, but I wouldn’t eat it or drink it with the koolaid that goes with it!

So no actual argument to the points raised.

So who gives a ****?

 

[Little Dragon]

Question for those who support Israel's current operations in Gaza.
@Harel13 @Jayhawker Soule @metis @You know Who You Are

If someone shoots me in the leg, and then I go to his house, and murder his entire family. Was I justified?

Or even, if he shoots my sister or brother and kills them, and I massacre his family in retaliation?
Again, am I JUSTIFIED?

 

[Revoltingest]

So you leave their points unopposed. Interesting strategy. Let's see how it works out for you.

If someone asked me to read The Turner Diaries
to address its "Truth", I'd have the same reaction.

 

[Kenny]

So no actual argument to the points raised.

So who gives a ****?

Actually, have addressed the points endlessly. Just another post with the same points, same verbiage, as if it were rehearsed to repeat again.

 

[Little Dragon]

Actually, have addressed the points endlessly. Just another post with the same points, same verbiage, as if it were rehearsed to repeat again.

Oh ok then. Carry on posting pointless responses.

 

[Kenny]

So no actual argument to the points raised.

So who gives a ****?

Actually, have addressed the points endlessly. Just another post with the same points, same verbiage, as if it were rehearsed to repeat again.

 

[Little Dragon]

Actually, have addressed the points endlessly. Just another post with the same points, same verbiage, as if it were rehearsed to repeat again.

Double post demons, strike again.

 

[InChrist]

Question for those who support Israel's current operations in Gaza.
@Harel13 @Jayhawker Soule @metis @You know Who You Are

If someone shoots me in the leg, and then I go to his house, and murder his entire family. Was I justified?

Or even, if he shoots my sister or brother and kills them, and I massacre his family in retaliation?
Again, am I JUSTIFIED?

Certainly, if someone shoots you or your sister in the leg it’s not justifiable to go murder the shooter’s entire family.

I think you are putting forth a false analogy. The two situations are incomparable. The attack on October 7th was an attack on the nation of Israel. It was an act of war; an entirely different matter, requiring an entirely different response than a personal crime.
Hamas attacked and declared war on Israel, with the support and even participation of many regular Palestinians. Sadly, it’s inevitable that when a war takes place, there are casualties which include civilians. Israel did not provoke Hamas, but has responded to the bloodiest terrorist attack since 1948. Besides that, the IDF notified the Palestinians living inside Gaza to let them know in advance that they would get in to destroy Hamas. No other country in the history of the world has ever warned people before they attack.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Certainly, if someone shoots you or your sister in the leg it’s not justifiable to go murder the shooter’s entire family.

I think you are putting forth a false analogy. The two situations are incomparable. The attack on October 7th was an attack on the nation of Israel. It was an act of war; an entirely different matter, requiring an entirely different response than a personal crime.

So, what response does Israel's decades of war crimes against Palestine require?

Hamas attacked and declared war on Israel, with the support and even participation of many regular Palestinians. Sadly, it’s inevitable that when a war takes place, there are casualties which include civilians.

There is a difference between "war" and "war crimes". Genocide deniers often have difficulty telling the difference.

Israel did not provoke Hamas,

That depends. Israel has been committing war crimes in the Gaza strip for decades, not to mention the denial of Palestinian rights and the explicit ethnic cleansing occurring on the West Bank. But, I guess none of that matters because it doesn't cast Muslims as the villains. Nope, it all started on October 7th 2023, and not a stone was cast before then.

but has responded to the bloodiest terrorist attack since 1948.

You mean, since the UN displaced nearly a million Palestinians in a deliberate and explicit act of ethnic cleansing?

Besides that, the IDF notified the Palestinians living inside Gaza to let them know in advance that they would get in to destroy Hamas.

Nope. They notified them that they were going to bomb their homes, and them bombed those areas anyway regardless of whether or not civilians had evacuated. And they started by bombing the homes of Palestinian journalists, hospitals, refugee camps and other civilian areas.

Telling you I'm going to burn your house down doesn't justify burning your house down.

No other country in the history of the world has ever warned people before they attack.

Literally false. Terrorists actually do it a lot and evacuation orders for civilian centres are fairly common in war.

Please stop pretending Israel is engaged in humanitarianism when they're killing thousands of civilians. It's sick.

 

[Sargonski]

Your quotation marks were around the words "human shield" (the latter, iirc, you misspelled). If you meant something else then you need to be more careful.

you

So then why do you keep bringing it up?

Who said the following:
"Human Sheild" argument does justify the killing of civilians by Hamas

you did. It says what it says.

I realize tht you believe the Human Shield argument justifies the killing of civilian -- as per the Quotes -- you were the one that brought up that argument in defense of Israel.. and as such your "Human Sheild" argument does justify the killing of Israeli Civilians by Hamas .. as much as it justifies the killing of Palestinians by Israel.

Goes both ways Rose -- you believe the killing of civilians in Israel by Hamas is justiied by the fact that Israel uses "Human Sheilds" - the actions of Hamas thus completely justified on this basis .. just as you justify and apologize for Israeli war crimes .. and unfortunatly . running around after spelling mistakes in an internet chat room will not change this reality ..

 

[Kenny]

So .. sorry .. Lukids claim that it is not guilty of war crimes does not count in this arena. The Claim of the Irish Delegate addressing the UN counts .. "The Hague is too good for Bibi" -- The claim of the South African President counts -- " an apartheid State" ..

Now .. the quotes means it is the assigned speaker saying this - not me .. you got this confused a few times now so thought to clarify to avoid further confusion .. Not that I don't think the Hague is too good for Bibi .. but just saying .. the Quotes mean this is what the Irish Delegate said .

Do you agree with the quote?