IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital

[Little Dragon]

The IDF have effectively brought the health system in Gaza to complete collapse. Most hospitals in northern Gaza were shelled and are now practically unusable. I assume all part of Israel's fairly transparent plan to expel Palestinians from Gaza, under the pretext of 'De nazification" and eradicating Hamas.

 

[Little Dragon]

Telling you what much of the entire world press is saying is not "anti-Israel rhetoric"

Israel will have to accept the consequences of it's actions. It can try and guilt trip the west, it can try and justify it's actions. However by their fruits we will know them, as it were. History will judge.

 

[rosends]

The ICC would find the Biblical Israelites guilty of Ethnic Cleansing -- and Bibi's reference to the Amalek .. shows intent to Ethnically Cleanse .. guilty as charged. What part did you think Bibi was referencing ..

He was refering to the requirement not to forget what evil did against you and imploring everyone not to forget what Hamas did. That's what he says. You can decide he means something else, but when America says "Remember the Alamo" or "remember the Maine" in the context of a current crisis it doesn't mean " we are considering someone to be Spanish or that we are going to act towards our enemies the way we acted 100 years ago.

Telling you what much of the entire world press is saying is not "anti-Israel rhetoric" .. It is not my fault the media on both sides of the fence is calling this war crimes - war crimes. -

Who said it was your fault? What IS your fault is that you ape what others say and don't think about it in any critical sense.

.. that leaders of Nations .. such as South Africa -- those who know apartheid and persecution well calling out the apartheid state for war crimes .. crimes against humanity being perpetrated against the Palestinians .. lodging diplomatic protest.

Actually, ‎Einav Avizemer. בואו נדבר על זה | Find Your Voice‎ on Instagram: "Apartheid? Yeee right"
but what would he know...no doubt you know better.

It is there for all to see - not some big secret and warning people trapped in a building that you are going to bomb it .. doesn't do those much folks much good now does it. Some of the apologies coming out of Israeli talking heads are priceless indeed

So you aren't worried about how Hamas is the one trapping them. Or that Hamas is using them and killing Israelis. All that matters is that Israel is warning them but the warnings aren't good enough for you. Did Hamas warn anybody? Do the rules of engagement in war require more than a warning? Have you heard of any other army warning civilians? But, no...no, you're right -- demand more of Israel because you need them to be the bad guys.

"Human Sheild" argument does justify the killing of civilians by Hamas

It justifies it? Wow. Seriously, wow. You just apologized for a war crime.

 

[Sargonski]

You are quoting history and science because you reject the primacy and divinity of the text. That's fine, but it has nothing to do with Judaism (or ancient Israel). Of course, the historical discussion of whether one culture imported a god figure from another has nothing to do with anything else, except in your mind.

Rose - this has nothing to do with my personal religious beliefs .. and I have not rejected the Primary Divinity of the Text. It is You who is in denial of the Primary Divninity of the text .. claiming to be an expert in Judaism .. and going on about monotheism, while not realizing that the Israelites were not monotheists.

This matters not though .. as this primary divinity (who you reject not I) .. commanded ethnic Cleansing .. of the Amalekites and other unclean peoples from the promised land .. from the river to the Sea .. similar if not the same ideology and Policy the Zionists are adhering to.

 

[Sargonski]

Israel will have to accept the consequences of it's actions. It can try and guilt trip the west, it can try and justify it's actions. However by their fruits we will know them, as it were. History will judge.

"By their fruits we will know them" -- well said words Little D .. As the Irish Delegate at the UN stated -- the Hague is too good for Bibi" .. as for Biden .. I would have to agree his treatment should be the same given his track record of Bad Fruit.

 

[rosends]

Rose - this has nothing to do with my personal religious beliefs .. and I have not rejected the Primary Divinity of the Text. It is You who is in denial of the Primary Divninity of the text .. claiming to be an expert in Judaism .. and going on about monotheism, while not realizing that the Israelites were not monotheists.

This matters not though .. as this primary divinity (who you reject not I) .. commanded ethnic Cleansing .. of the Amalekites and other unclean peoples from the promised land .. from the river to the Sea .. similar if not the same ideology and Policy the Zionists are adhering to.

"primary divinity"? What does that even mean? Is there a secondary divinity and you are a polytheist? I guess so.

That you are parroting a particular historical theory is a rejection of divinity. That you don't understand that is sad. And the Amalekites weren't in "the land". But you probably still think they lived in towns, so, um, oops to you.

And, of course, your accusation about modern Israel ignores the 20% of the population that is Muslim, and lives very happily in Israel.

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[Little Dragon]

Who said it was your fault? What IS your fault is that you ape what others say and don't think about it in any critical sense.

I don't know a single person personally who reads the news and watches various media sources, and still argues for Israel and the validity of its strategy and intent. Both from the left and the right of the political spectrum. The consensus appears to be that Israel has crossed lines, and is revealing it's true colours. The colours of ethnic majority nationalism.

 

[George Washington]

What dream has come true for Hamas ? .. only one I can think of - other than martyrdom but that is a given - is the 2 state solution looks to be more of a possibility.. but that is hardly a dream coming true .. as it has not happened .. so better stated as .. the possibility of dreams coming true are slightly higher than before.

No idea why Israel felt Hamas was qualified to Govern .. and in fact they didn't in reality .. Israel and others propped up Hamas in order to create conflict between them and the Palestinian Authority .. for who is the political leadership of the Occupied territories.

Who thinks Hamas is qualified to Govern ? No one I can think of .. not even the Palestinians after having a taste of their leadership.

and ability to fight ? --Hamas has never been much of a fighting force .. a mosquito compared to Israel .. not a fighting force at all in the world of war .. same goes for the Palestinians in general .. an occupied and Oppressed people .. having an occupier stealing their land a policy of regular ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity.. Apartheid conditions far worse than South Africa .. akin to the Warsaw Ghetto.

This is why we should be helping these freedom fighters .. like we are helping Ukraine fight the Russians .. Kosovo fight the Serbs .. the Islamic State fight Assad -- arming .. supporting and supplying them in their fight against the illegal occupation ... Then you will see it is going to be Israel begging for a Cease fire .. crying out for help to the international community.

Choosing sides in a blood fued is always a bad choice .. as serves only to prolong and worsen the thing. Biden is guilty of comlicity in war crimes .. 100% .. this is way worse and Biden is way more involved than was the case in Yemen .. where even though we were way more on the sidelines .. the atrocity not as bad -- Obama was tagged with complicity in war crimes by the ICC .. will be interesting to see how Biden fares.. already been tagged once being under Obama . they have yet to even get to Syria .. where it is full on guilty of war crimes for both those jokers ..

What do they call it .. "Rules based order" -- where the Rule for the USA has been "Do as we say - not as we Do" essentially throwing out the rule book.. and at the time ...when I said "bad idea - gonna come back to bite" .. the pundits cried no no no .. USA USA -- no one can touch the indispensible Power .. and, at the time this was True .. US the only game in town .. and everyone wanted to play .. our military an order of magnitude above anyone else.

Times have changed .. those living in the delusion of the past now seeing Karma come back to bite .. as others start to "Do as we do" -- Watch out for Turkey .. if this thing heats up again ... that could be the straw that releases the hounds ,, and not we have a nuclear issue to contend with .. Pakistan already having told Turkey that if they need a few to defend themselves ... so that Israel doesn't use theirs ... which they likely would of Israel was getting over-run.

I tell ya GW .. that would be a bad situation.

Nobody's running scared worrying about nukes, though. Justice is going to be served to the terrorists, and nobody is going to stop Israel from serving it.

It would be easier if everyone would simply accept the reality of this.

 

[Little Dragon]

Nobody's running scared worrying about nukes, though. Justice is going to be served to the terrorists, and nobody is going to stop Israel from serving it.

So the cycle will continue, for what goes around comes around. Israel is surrounded by enemies and is increasingly isolating itself with it's excess and indifference to human suffering. Not a good long term strategy. The US may not always be relied upon to bail out Israel, if push comes to shove. Especially if the US is engaged and committed elsewhere, such as Taiwan or Ukraine. Especially especially if a populist racist president, comes to power and decides his largely far right anti jewish base, don't want him to assist Israel.

 

[Sargonski]

He was refering to the requirement not to forget what evil did against you and imploring everyone not to forget what Hamas did. That's what he says. You can decide he means something else, but when America says "Remember the Alamo" or "remember the Maine" in the context of a current crisis it doesn't mean " we are considering someone to be Spanish or that we are going to act towards our enemies the way we acted 100 years ago.

Who said it was your fault? What IS your fault is that you ape what others say and don't think about it in any critical sense.

Actually, ‎Einav Avizemer. בואו נדבר על זה | Find Your Voice‎ on Instagram: "Apartheid? Yeee right"
but what would he know...no doubt you know better.

So you aren't worried about how Hamas is the one trapping them. Or that Hamas is using them and killing Israelis. All that matters is that Israel is warning them but the warnings aren't good enough for you. Did Hamas warn anybody? Do the rules of engagement in war require more than a warning? Have you heard of any other army warning civilians? But, no...no, you're right -- demand more of Israel because you need them to be the bad guys.

It justifies it? Wow. Seriously, wow. You just apologized for a war crime.

The Human Sheild argument is not mine "You just apologized for a war crime" -- but yours the Human Sheild argument does not justify war crimes of Hamas as you would have us believe.

. It does concern me that Hamas would trap folks in a building to be bombed, why would you say otherwise ? not much of a concern of yours when trying to apologize for war crimes it seems.

LOL .. Bibi Referencing the Amalak .. as you say .. is exactly "The requirement not to forget what evil against you" - and like the Amalak .. the Palestinians will suffer punishment for this evil. The desire of Likhud to punish the "Dirty Arabs" .. what was the term the defense minister used "Animals" is exactly what Bibi is referring to .. and what the Bibi and Likhud have been doing for decades. It is not like this is the first incident of Ethnic Cleansing .. Terrorism .. Crimes against Humanity. There is a long history of such crimes - detailed by groups such as "Human Rights Watch"

 

[Sargonski]

Nobody's running scared worrying about nukes, though. Justice is going to be served to the terrorists, and nobody is going to stop Israel from serving it.

It would be easier if everyone would simply accept the reality of this.

Not yet -- as Pakistan has not given Turkey any Nukes. I disagree that Justice will be served to the Terrorists .. Israel has been conducting acts of terror for 7 decades now against the Palestinians. Over this time there has been little justice for Ethnic Cleansing by this foreign occupier.

While it may be easier for some if everyone would simply accept this reality ... that doesn't make it right .. and is kind of evil if you ask me.. reminds me of the cancel culture kind of denial .. just cancel things that they disagree with .. pretend they don't exist .. wipe them from the history books.

 

[rosends]

I don't know a single person personally who reads the news and watches various media sources, and still argues for Israel and the validity of its strategy and intent. Both from the left and the right of the political spectrum. The consensus appears to be that Israel has crossed lines, and is revealing it's true colours. The colours of ethnic majority nationalism.

Then you need to expand your circle. I know plenty who do just that.

 

[rosends]

The Human Sheild argument is not mine "You just apologized for a war crime" -- but yours the Human Sheild argument does not justify war crimes of Hamas as you would have us believe.

Then you should reread what you wrote -- ""Human Sheild" argument does justify the killing of civilians by Hamas"
and now you say it doesn't justify the war crimes OF Hamas. I never said it did. I don't think Hamas's war crimes can be justified.

. It does concern me that Hamas would trap folks in a building to be bombed, why would you say otherwise ?

Have you protested against that or said that Hamas is responsible for the deaths of civilians? Or do you just accuse Israel of killing people?

LOL .. Bibi Referencing the Amalak .. as you say .. is exactly "The requirement not to forget what evil against you" - and like the Amalak .. the Palestinians will suffer punishment for this evil.

See how you just jumped from "remember" to "punishment"? That wasn't in what he quoted but you need it to be there so you keep inserting it. It is a projection of your feelings, not what was said.

The desire of Likhud to punish the "Dirty Arabs"

Has nothing to do with any biblical passage. You are making a connection to make yourself happy.

There is a long history of such crimes - detailed by groups such as "Human Rights Watch"

HRW? LOL. Even the people who worked there don't trust it

Outgoing Human Rights Watch senior editor blasts group’s ‘infected’ work on Israel

In email to staff upon departure, Danielle Haas claims 'years of institutional creep culminated in response to Oct. 7 that surrendered group's duty to stand for human rights of all'

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[metis]

The colours of ethnic majority nationalism.

That's what Hamas and its western Asian supporters advocate.

BTW, what did the Allies do during WWII against Japan and Germany for just two examples?

 

[Sargonski]

"primary divinity"? What does that even mean? Is there a secondary divinity and you are a polytheist? I guess so.

That you are parroting a particular historical theory is a rejection of divinity. That you don't understand that is sad. And the Amalekites weren't in "the land". But you probably still think they lived in towns, so, um, oops to you.

And, of course, your accusation about modern Israel ignores the 20% of the population that is Muslim, and lives very happily in Israel.

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"primary divinity" was the term you used .. why are you asking "What does that even mean" ? obviously it is the main God of the Bible .. "The Most High" - "The Supreme One" . For someone who has claimed numerous times to be an expert in Judaism .. this is hard sledding ... Do you not know who the primary divinity of the Israelites was ?

That the Israelites were not monotheists is not something debated in serious circles ? and how on earth is someone correcting your flawed perspective if Israelite religion a rejection of divinity ? this makes no sense.

What is this accusation you are claiming was made about modern Israel's that ignores the Muslim Population ?

 

[rosends]

"primary divinity" was the term you used

Really? Show me.

obviously it is the main God of the Bible

Ah, so you DO believe in multiple Gods.

That the Israelites were not monotheists is not something debated in serious circles ?

is that a question?

What is this accusation you are claiming was made about modern Israel's that ignores the Muslim Population ?

That Israel (in your words, "The desire of Likhud to punish the "Dirty Arabs" ... and what the Bibi and Likhud have been doing for decades. It is not like this is the first incident of Ethnic Cleansing.") is trying to cleanse Israel of its Muslim population.

 

[Sargonski]

Then you should reread what you wrote -- ""Human Sheild" argument does justify the killing of civilians by Hamas"
and now you say it doesn't justify the war crimes OF Hamas. I never said it did. I don't think Hamas's war crimes can be justified.

Have you protested against that or said that Hamas is responsible for the deaths of civilians? Or do you just accuse Israel of killing people?

See how you just jumped from "remember" to "punishment"? That wasn't in what he quoted but you need it to be there so you keep inserting it. It is a projection of your feelings, not what was said.

Has nothing to do with any biblical passage. You are making a connection to make yourself happy.

HRW? LOL. Even the people who worked there don't trust it

Outgoing Human Rights Watch senior editor blasts group’s ‘infected’ work on Israel

In email to staff upon departure, Danielle Haas claims 'years of institutional creep culminated in response to Oct. 7 that surrendered group's duty to stand for human rights of all'

www.timesofisrael.com

The quotes "Human Shield" -- means I am quoting someone. This person saying that Human Sheild argument justifies the killing of civilians by Hamas And that someone was You .. when you used this same argument to justify the killing of civilians by Israel.

and of course I have protested against the killing of civilians by Hamas .. why are you asking this silly question as if the opposite is true. Are you sure it is not you who is the one who refuses to protest against the death of civilians .. mass slaughter of Children ...and Ethnic Cleansing

Look .. Amalek .. or no Amalek .. you said yourself .. this is all about punishing evil and I agree with you on that . These extremists right wing Zealots have been conducting a 7 decade long punishment of evil via Ethnic Cleansing .. punishing the "Arab Animals" like the Amalak were punished .. major crimes against humanity .. this just the latest episode in a 70 year long sitcom full of atrocity and terror.

 

[Sargonski]

You are quoting history and science because you reject the primacy and divinity of the text. That's fine, but it has nothing to do with Judaism (or ancient Israel). Of course, the historical discussion of whether one culture imported a god figure from another has nothing to do with anything else, except in your mind

Really? Show me.

Ah, so you DO believe in multiple Gods.

is that a question?

That Israel (in your words, "The desire of Likhud to punish the "Dirty Arabs" ... and what the Bibi and Likhud have been doing for decades. It is not like this is the first incident of Ethnic Cleansing.") is trying to cleanse Israel of its Muslim population.

Look above . "Primary Divinity" = Primacy and divinity of the Text. Who is this divinity being rejected ? What on earth are you talking about .. I never rejected any divinity described in the text .. You are the one who rejects the divinities in which the Israelites believed.

The Likhud extremists do not represent all Israeli's .. and certainly not all Jews .. who are repulsed by the Ethnic Cleansing of the what Lukid refers to as dirty Arab Animals from the River to the Sea. Don't equate these neocon scum with all of Israel.

 

[Sargonski]

Then you need to expand your circle. I know plenty who do just that.

US neocons or Lukid devotees don't count.

I don't know a single person personally who reads the news and watches various media sources, and still argues for Israel and the validity of its strategy and intent. Both from the left and the right of the political spectrum. The consensus appears to be that Israel has crossed lines, and is revealing it's true colours. The colours of ethnic majority nationalism.

Exactly - a whole lot of the groups out there protesting are Jewish .. to the disgust of Hannity and Religious Right friends.

Bibi Crossed the Line .. and to be honest had been crossing the line for Years in the crimes against humanity via an apartheid state.. in particular the open air prison camp known as Gaza .. where the "Animals" were caged .. treated very badly .. and, as not unexpeted .. when out from the cage did some atrocity. Not that we condone when the Bear who has been continuously poked by the boy gets out and hurts the boy .. but its one of those ... "Told you not to poke the Bear" moments .. similar to what happened over in Ukraine .. speaking of Bears

 

[Little Dragon]

That's what Hamas and its western Asian supporters advocate.

Two things can both be true at the same time. Hamas is by no means the victim in this scenario,