Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
That's "you're"
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If Adam had not sinned.
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waitasec
Veteran Member
:no: where did i say that?
i said
they didn't know the difference between good and evil
did they die after eating the fruit? :no:
so again here is a conundrum you set your self up for...
why would god say you will surely die knowing they didn't understand what he meant?
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
:no: where did i say that?
i said
they didn't know the difference between good and evil
did they die after eating the fruit? :no:
so again here is a conundrum you set your self up for...
why would god say you will surely die knowing they didn't understand what he meant?
I'm not confused.
Apparently you got lost.
First the acquisition of knowledge....then denial of the tree of life.
You don't get it?
Oh that's right...you still don't believe in life after death.
Kinda hard to get the jest when your mindset is contrary.
According to my understanding, death wasn't around until Adam sinned. It seems as though it was intended for him to stay in the garden forever. Although God knew exactly what would happen (being omniscient) and did it anyway
Thief
Rogue Theologian
According to my understanding, death wasn't around until Adam sinned. It seems as though it was intended for him to stay in the garden forever. Although God knew exactly what would happen (being omniscient) and did it anyway
Nay.
Man was created as a species...Day Six.
Death is part of that existence.
The Garden event is a manipulation to alter the finality of that existence.
Spiritual life became a possibility.
Quote for the part in bold please
Also, consider Romans 5:12
waitasec
Veteran Member
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Tree of life.
waitasec
Veteran Member
waitasec
Veteran Member
wrong
life:
to live, have life, remain alive, sustain life, live prosperously, live for ever, be quickened, be alive, be restored to life or health
Interlinear Study Bible on SearchGodsWord.org
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Common sense.
As a species, individuals die.
Man as a species...Day Six.
Death was already here....Day Six.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Your lack of belief in life after death, stymies your progress in this thread.
To have eternal life....you must die.
To walk in grace in the next life....you need to know what is good and what is evil.
Tree of knowledge first....tree of life ....later on.
waitasec
Veteran Member
my lack of belief has nothing to do with this....
McBell
Unbound
Well, there has to be something preventing you from agreeing with him.
I mean, it is not like he could possibly be wrong....
God also said his creation was good. Not to mention that Romans 5:12 implies that sin brought death into the world. Common sense just isn't a convincing enough counter argument I'm afraid.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I'm not a big fan of Paul....but for this moment...
Sin in this world causes death?...sure it does.
But not physical death....spiritual death.
You can be counted as dead...before your last breath.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
For the immediate response....yeah....it seems so.
Live a sinful life and die in sin....die in spirit.
One follows the other.
But going back to Genesis.....the word 'sin' does not appear in my copy until Chapter 4.
By then the focus of the text is on Cain and Abel.
Would you then be willing to say....
Sin is the acquisition of knowledge?...in particular....knowing good from evil.
No problem here
to sin you'd need knowledge of what sin is. So of course.
Not really seeing a point here though.