waitasec
Veteran Member
romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned
a contradiction it seems...
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If Adam had not sinned.
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a contradiction it seems...
Thief
Rogue Theologian
This and another thread are now running, dead parallel.
I quote myself....
"I don't see knowledge as a failing.
The fall of man has nothing to do with sin.
If sin would be separation from God?....all have sinned...born that way.
If sin is transgression and God leaves you for it...
If sin is transgression against another, and God leaves you for it...
But I don't see acquisition of knowledge as sin.
And you need that knowledge to walk with grace...in heaven.
What you do with your knowledge...your sense of wisdom....your grace...
that could make a difference.
Kinda hard to walk gracefully with a crutch under your arm."
waitasec
Veteran Member
not adam.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
So you would say Adam is born of God?...or Man.
waitasec
Veteran Member
according to gen 2 god.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Nay, Adam is a chosen son of God.
Born like another man, and would die like any other man.
Sin would have nothing to do with Adam's mortality.
waitasec
Veteran Member
gen 2:7 Then the LORD God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I've been waiting for this.
This one quote throws most people in the wrong direction...every time.
My copy does not say...'formed a man'.
simply....'formed man'.
In all fairness, my copy goes on to say...
and God planted a garden eastward in Eden: and there He put the man
whom He had formed.
At one point it appears the book speaks of Man as a species...
and in the very next line refocuses upon one man that God relocates to a setting of ideal living conditions.
That Adam is made of dust does not make him unique or special.
That much happens to all of us.
That Adam has been chosen and relocated, then to walk with God...yes.
Adam was chosen...and the first to walk with God.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Chapter Two is manipulation.
All men are formed.
The breath of life is spiritual.
For having walked with God...Adam became unique.
Man as a species, now has a notable change in direction.
Even though, we still call ourselves animal.
waitasec
Veteran Member
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
Yeah, I am seeing interpolation into vast apologetic puzzles the farther we go. Scripture is very clear, the Tree of Life would have granted immortality of the physical kind, God is never seen to actually teach the first two people anything, and the full consequences even as presented in the story itself, is never explained to Adam and Eve until it is too late. This isn't rocket science, guys. Read the words, understand, conclude. Problem solved; this was a setup from the beginning.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
And that makes Genesis a story.
You get out of it what you do, because of the way you think.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Except for that one item...all good.
The tree of knowledge was a step up...as God did say...
'...they have become as us....'
The tree of life would also be a step up...spiritual life.
Know-how first....then we walk in heaven.
krsnaraja
Active Member
If Adam had not sinned is a title that makes Adam toss & turn in his grave. Of course, Adam sinned. & so are we. Souls don`t sin until it has taken up a body.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
So now we start this thread all over again.
krsnaraja
Active Member
Why not. It`s not yet late than later.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
'Spiritual life' is an unfounded term. As has been shown. "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil. Now, lest he put forth his hand, and also take of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever..." is the full text, Gen 3:22. Tch tch, cherry picking.
LIVE FOREVER.
I really don't need to repeat this more than it already has been. Or do I?
krsnaraja
Active Member
The Genesis of the Bible is Cosmology!
The difference between immortality and everlasting life is that the immortal one is always death proof or can't ever be destroyed.
Mortal Adam was not offered immortality [life within himself], but everlasting life on earth meaning still dependent on exterior things like eating and drinking and breathing in order to go on living.
The immortal need no food nor air but mortals do even if they are granted everlasting life on earth because of obedience to God.
Sure the consequences are explained.
Please notice what God taught Adam at Genesis 2v17.
What is not clear about that verse?
Eve understood because please notice how she answers the serpent at Genesis 3v2,3. What is not clear about that verse?