If All the Prophets Were Muslims, Then What Is Islam?

[meghanwaterlillies]

So what about tax?
What is this idea that of promoting jizya
when pretty dang much tax is everywhere.
What about the take of over cultures just to pay tax.
If they can worship whatever but they send prophets to worship one God; I'm a little confused.
No one really address then the cause for tax.
Worship whatever right but pay tax.
the old king of Salem and priest of El Elyon.
Besides testimony is good.
I like to know about the tax issue.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

I mean are there two forms of tax or tax competitors.. Everyone says respect then what..Threaten abuse control , threaten abuse control,threaten abuse control

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

I should get a t shirt that says I beheaded my girlfriend because she didn't pay me tax.
I bomb her twin towers (yes its open for debate of who what when and where)
I burned her little whore of Babylon.
These concepts are getting a little more wacky.
Maybe its more to do with tax and money then actual belief.
I'm sure there's competitors all the time. See knowing that tax evolution and slavery go together.. Its not the same
as Id say how faith is founded.
Like tax is everywhere already its not like you can even purchase something without, so tax has been paid.
So is it to do with tax competitors/might as well say its than it's not about faith or belief.

 

[Shia Islam]

Based on the Quran it is saying that all the prophets were Muslims; which means a Muslim has nothing to do with following the book, as most Muslims now commonly ascribe...

So what is the definition of someone who follows Islam, if it came before the Quran existed?

A Muslim and Islam mean, 'one who submits to peace (of God)'.

As salam is the root meaning peace, not only submission.

So since the prophets all submitted to God's will, and believed in the Oneness of God....Does this make them all Muslims?

So the 5 pillars of Islam are not essential for being a Muslim, none of the religious law in the Quran is essential to being a Muslim.....

Basically have people created a religion around the idea of accepting the Oneness of God?

At every age God has a prophet/successor.
When God Sent Muhammad, he commanded all humans to follow him, and become Submissives (Muslims) to God...
Or otherwise those who rejected him became non-believers.

 

[wizanda]

When God Sent Muhammad, he commanded all humans to follow him, and become Submissives (Muslims) to God...
Or otherwise those who rejected him became non-believers.

Sorry that makes no sense; if you respect all the prophets, worship the one God, and believe in Oneness, then you're following Islam....

Abraham, Yeshua, Noah were Muslims, and didn't follow Muhammad.

 

[FearGod]

Based on the Quran it is saying that all the prophets were Muslims; which means a Muslim has nothing to do with following the book, as most Muslims now commonly ascribe...

So what is the definition of someone who follows Islam, if it came before the Quran existed?

A Muslim and Islam mean, 'one who submits to peace (of God)'.

As salam is the root meaning peace, not only submission.

So since the prophets all submitted to God's will, and believed in the Oneness of God....Does this make them all Muslims?

So the 5 pillars of Islam are not essential for being a Muslim, none of the religious law in the Quran is essential to being a Muslim.....

Basically have people created a religion around the idea of accepting the Oneness of God?

The answer is very simple indeed.

Submission to God by your free will is what means obedience and peace with God,
the other side is to rebel against God and to choose to follow your own way and
away from God's laws and commandments.

The messengers are just warners and so no one may have excuses.

 

[wizanda]

to choose to follow your own way and away from God's laws and commandments.

What laws tho? The 10 commandments can understand; yet the rest weren't required of other Muslims, like Abraham had no Torah or 10 commandments, they just accepted God's instruction.....

So why do some people think following religious law is required; when it is about following God's Oneness, that means to be following Islam?

 

[FearGod]

What laws tho? The 10 commandments can understand; yet the rest weren't required of other Muslims, like Abraham had no Torah or 10 commandments, they just accepted God's instruction.....

So why do some people think following religious law is required; when it is about following God's Oneness, that means to be following Islam?

It is required because such laws are good for humans if not distorted.

For example fasting from food in the month of Ramadan is good for health, we eat
a lot and one month for diet will be healthy even though people today don't follow
it in the right way.

So I believe all laws are made to help us and we should follow them.

 

[Yasin-shalal]

Based on the Quran it is saying that all the prophets were Muslims; which means a Muslim has nothing to do with following the book, as most Muslims now commonly ascribe...

So what is the definition of someone who follows Islam, if it came before the Quran existed?

A Muslim and Islam mean, 'one who submits to peace (of God)'.

As salam is the root meaning peace, not only submission.

So since the prophets all submitted to God's will, and believed in the Oneness of God....Does this make them all Muslims?

So the 5 pillars of Islam are not essential for being a Muslim, none of the religious law in the Quran is essential to being a Muslim.....

Basically have people created a religion around the idea of accepting the Oneness of God?

Listen carefully,....
You have got a shallow logic on this case,....
Here are some thongs you mY need to know

Based on the Quran it is saying that all the prophets were Muslims; which means a Muslim has nothing to do with following the book, as most Muslims now commonly ascribe...

So what is the definition of someone who follows Islam, if it came before the Quran existed?

A Muslim and Islam mean, 'one who submits to peace (of God)'.

As salam is the root meaning peace, not only submission.

So since the prophets all submitted to God's will, and believed in the Oneness of God....Does this make them all Muslims?

So the 5 pillars of Islam are not essential for being a Muslim, none of the religious law in the Quran is essential to being a Muslim.....

Basically have people created a religion around the idea of accepting the Oneness of God?

1. You dont know what exactly previous prophets use to belive. You have got some unreliable and cropted books in which the story of God wrestling a prophet has been mentioned!!!!!!!!!

2. the true religion was in fact Islam. However, not in its compelete version. Pillars of islam got compelet in the last days of prophets ,pbuh, life. According to some Hadiths, when prophet, pbuh, specified his succesor, Ali,a.s. and added Imamat to the pillars of Islam, God said " today I compeleted your religion". This is the pillar that we have, Sunnis have got their own pillars! We regard justice of God as a pillar, they might.not!
Pillars also vary!
3. The one who belives that God is one and Muhammad,pbuh, is His mesenger, is Muslim. No need for even saying prayers or giving charity to be a Muslim. He is Muslim even if he kills, rapes, drinks wine or.... the point is to be a Mu'min( Nice Muslim with strong feith). You will not be able to be a Mu'mim unless you use the compelete version of Islam.

 

[Shia Islam]

Sorry that makes no sense; if you respect all the prophets, worship the one God, and believe in Oneness, then you're following Islam....

Abraham, Yeshua, Noah were Muslims, and didn't follow Muhammad.

If the prophets were in the time of Muhammad (s), they would have followed him.

 

[YmirGF]

Here are some thongs you mY need to know

I agree. There are many thongs that people should know but only if they are not terribly over-weight.

If the prophets were in the time of Muhammad (s), they would have followed him.

Muslims like to pretend that this is so, but it is really little more than wishful thinking. Personally, I'd be very surprised is someone like Moses or even Jesus chose to "follow" Muhammad. The "Muslim" version of Jesus might, but the "Christian" version of Jesus clearly would not choose to follow...

 

[YmirGF]

3. The one who belives that God is one and Muhammad,pbuh, is His mesenger, is Muslim..

Do you realize that this defeats your own argument that the former "prophet" were Muslims? None of them either mentioned or believed in Muhammad as being the Messenger of Allah.

 

[happyo]

You make good points this post. I don't think they've formed a religion around the idea of accepting the Oneness of God because such religions already existed - to do so with that as a focus is unnecessary. I think the Arabs started their own religion and have become obsessed with all the excess minutiae they have tacked on despite it clearly not being necessary for all the people they declared to be Muslim prophets before Muhammad to worship God.

Most Arabs are Muslims but Muslims are all different cultures and races, Arabs make only a small percentage overall and there wasn't already a faith believing in the oneness of God, that followed His word. The Quran completed the scriptures. Mohammed was the last prophet and it doesn't contradict the Bible it only completes the religion of Islam and sets them apart from Jews and Christians in faith and teachings.

 

[happyo]

The whole thing is a huge debacle. All having to do with the prophet Abraham having sons, Isaac and Ishmael, from two different women, and its been pretty much downhill from there. Both sons taking claim to gods promise of being a chosen people. Muslims hijack everything, they claim both lines by saying all the Jewish prophets belonging to them and they hijacked Jesus, while claiming the religions based on these characters are wrong. A classic case of wanting to have cake and eat it too.

The Jews have many of the same prophets also. Those prophets spoke truth from God, and old testament prophets which are the ones u say were hijacked, couldn't have been Christian if Jesus hadnt come yet.

 

[happyo]

They weren't tho....

1. No one had to say shahada, and believe in Muhammad as the last prophet.
2. Yeshua told people not to pray on street corners or in the synagogue, to be seen before others.... Not to recite the same prayers.... None of the prophets made strict prayer times, this comes from made up Rabbinic tradition.
   
3. Yeshua said make all your wealth for the poor; not only 10%, which comes from the Torah.
4. Ritualistic fasting did exist within Judaism.
5. There clearly was no making a pilgrimage to anywhere, to stand bowing before a wall like the Jews do.

The Quran doesn't even state them categorically as things you must do to follow Islam, and since the prophets didn't know this list....

Then clearly that has nothing to do with what the prophets followed as being Islam.

Actually Yeshua did say about following Islam (to submit to peace [of God]), that isn't the point of the topic tho....

Luke 17:10 Even so you also, when you have done all the things that are commanded you, say, ‘We are unworthy servants. We have done our duty.’”

Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.

I'm more looking is there a way we can all eat the same cake, by taking all the allergy sprinkles off the top.

Jews went so far off the Path of Righteousness, and the argument on the Islamic side is that it fixed where the Jews screwed up, it teaches charity where Jews are known as the bankers and collectors of wealth and fine things. This is just one example.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

That's an interesting point and I kind of wonder how it works.
All-h chooses Ishmael then kind of forgets about that and lets his kids wander off to serve moon gods and what have you. In the meantime - while His chosen's progeny are engaged in polytheism - All-h sends multiple prophets to Isaac's line constantly berating them to practice monotheism. He gives them books and revelations and what have you. All the while completely ignoring Ishmael's kids and their kufr ways. Then He finally switches back to Ishmael after a brief intermission of a few thousand years.

To be fair to Allah, I've done that before myself. I've sent villagers off to build a new town elsewhere on the map and completely forgotten about them. Then when I eventually remember and pan back I wonder why half of them are dead from wolf attacks and they've only built one structure.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Most Arabs are Muslims but Muslims are all different cultures and races, Arabs make only a small percentage overall

When Islam started out it only had Arabs as members.

and there wasn't already a faith believing in the oneness of God, that followed His word. The Quran completed the scriptures. Mohammed was the last prophet and it doesn't contradict the Bible it only completes the religion of Islam and sets them apart from Jews and Christians in faith and teachings.

Yes there was. Zoroastrianism, Judaism & Christianity. There were, in fact, three.

The Quran completed the scriptures. Mohammed was the last prophet and it doesn't contradict the Bible

I thought the Jewish & Christian scriptures were corrupt and unreliable (according to Islam)? Are you saying the Quran completed corrupt & unreliable scriptures?

 

[Tumah]

Jews went so far off the Path of Righteousness, and the argument on the Islamic side is that it fixed where the Jews screwed up, it teaches charity where Jews are known as the bankers and collectors of wealth and fine things. This is just one example.

History much?
Antisemitic Middle Ages propaganda much?
Not know anything about Judaism much?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

1. You dont know what exactly previous prophets use to belive. You have got some unreliable and cropted books in which the story of God wrestling a prophet has been mentioned!!!!!!!!!

Yet those scriptures are only unreliable as long as Muslims aren't telling us they really prophesy Muhammad.

2. the true religion was in fact Islam.

Preachy, preachy. Careful.

3. The one who belives that God is one and Muhammad,pbuh, is His mesenger, is Muslim.

None of the prophets before Muhammad believed this ergo they are not Muslims.

No need for even saying prayers or giving charity to be a Muslim. He is Muslim even if he kills, rapes, drinks wine or.... the point is to be a Mu'min( Nice Muslim with strong feith). You will not be able to be a Mu'mim unless you use the compelete version of Islam.

Nice to see you're taking ownership of Islamist terrorist groups (even if inadvertently) and recognising they're a part of your faith. I appreciate that this may come across as facetious but I am in earnest.

 

[happyo]

When Islam started out it only had Arabs as members.




Yes there was. Zoroastrianism, Judaism & Christianity. There were, in fact, three.




I thought the Jewish & Christian scriptures were corrupt and unreliable (according to Islam)? Are you saying the Quran completed corrupt & unreliable scriptures?

It's not what it says the basics for the Jewish scriptures have a lot in common with the old testament and Christianity didn't exist at the time, however it doesn't teach the oneness of God it says God has a son, and the Jews had been corrupted Islam wasn't created just for arabs