Ben Dhyan
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Ok, please provide the biblical or other evidence that you think show Jesus was about governing people and to what ends/purpose?
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If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?
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Aupmanyav
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Truely, THAT AM I (Ayamatmā Brahman - This self is Brahman, the one entity which constitutes all things in the universe, there is no God). But you forget that I am a Hindu; and in Hinduism, we are allowed to have our own interpretations. We are not bound to follow any book. I do not believe in existence of 'Personality of Godhead' (whatever that means, but shows clearly that you have taken it from Prabhupada/Hare-Krishna translation), soul or supersoul, being free from misconception of duality (asmi vidhūta-bheda-mohaḥ). Heart is a organ of the body and its function is to pump blood.
Ben Dhyan
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Of course I know you are Indian but I understand you are an atheist one.Truely, THAT AM I (Ayamatmā Brahman - This self is Brahman, the one entity which constitutes all things in the universe, there is no God). But you forget that I am a Hindu; and in Hinduism, we are allowed to have our own interpretations. We are not bound to follow any book. I do not believe in existence of 'Personality of Godhead' (whatever that means, but shows clearly that you have taken it from Prabhupada/Hare-Krishna translation), soul or supersoul, being free from misconception of duality (asmi vidhūta-bheda-mohaḥ). Heart is a organ of the body and its function is to pump blood.
So here are some links to other sites showing Atma means soul.
Atma or Atman, the Individual Self in Hinduism
Atma
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
No problem if others believe that way. I do not. That is another Hindu stance. We are capable of standing on our own.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Well you certainly do stand on your own now, but that's ok, in the days of zenzero, you were not atheist iirc.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Just like the coin has two sides, I too have two sides. That of a strong atheist and if a follower of Abrahamic religions or a theist Hindu engages me, then I reply in his/her language.
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Ben Dhyan
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So what do you think of the teaching of Jesus as is recorded in the Gospel of John?Just like the coin has two sides, I too have two sides. That of a strong atheist and if a follower of Abrahamic religions or a theist Hindu engages me, then I reply in his/her language.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
We do not know who wrote any Gospel, names were attached to them only later. Jesus or gospels are not relevant for me.
I am a Hindu. What Hinduism or any other Indic religion says (Jainism, Buddhism or Sikhism), is relevant to me.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
That was not the question, it is not who wrote it that is important, it is what it had to say that is.
You said in the post I responded to that, "like the coin has two sides, I too have two sides. That of a strong atheist and if a follower of Abrahamic religions or a theist Hindu engages me, then I reply in his/her language."
So I am asking what you thought of the Gospel of John writings?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I think that is the worst.
"According to Delbert Burkett, the Gospel of John is the only gospel to call Jesus God .."
Gospel - Wikipedia
Gospel of John - Wikipedia
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
That is not what I was asking, I was asking what do you you think about what Jesus taught? If you have not read the gospel of John, not a problem, you can't answer and that is understood.I think that is the worst.
"According to Delbert Burkett, the Gospel of John is the only gospel to call Jesus God .."
"Like the three other gospels, it is anonymous, although it identifies an unnamed "disciple whom Jesus loved" as the source of its traditions. It most likely arose within a "Johannine community", and – as it is closely related in style and content to the three Johannine epistles – most scholars treat the four books, along with the Book of Revelation, as a single corpus of Johannine literature, albeit not by the same author."Gospel - Wikipedia
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Gospel of John - Wikipedia
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
As an atheist Hindu, I do not accept the existence of any God or Goddess.
What Jesus taught was the same as what other religious teachers taught before and after his time.
Take for example, Zoroaster or Vivekannda. Nothing new.
Ben Dhyan
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Ok then, thank you, got that.
TrueBeliever37
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Hi rubi,
This is what I believe. He WAS the Messiah. He was YHWH dwelling in that fleshly body. YHWH came down to tread upon the high places of the earth. Just like he said he would do in Micah 1:3-5 With the high places in Judah, being Jerusalem as pointed out in verse 5.
A Son was born who would be called the mighty God, and the everlasting Father as prophesied in Isaiah 9:6. He was the image (the body) of the invisible God.
His true name is actually YHWSH (meaning YHWH saves) as foretold in Zechariah 6:11-13
I believe Mainstream Christianity has it wrong. There is no Trinity. There is only one God, and that one God is a Spirit, and he is holy. So the Holy Spirit isn't another person it's YHWH. YHWH didn't have blood to shed for man's sin, so he took on a body that could die. He was the Father of that body, so he called it his Son, but it wasn't another person. It was YHWH himself dwelling in a fleshly body which he sacrificed for our sins.
Of course, since he was in a body like ours, it would therefore be subject to temptation. While in the flesh, he had to call on the Spirit for strength to overcome and be the perfect sacrifice. He was providing us with the example of what we have to do to overcome. Because of no sin, YHWH raised that body up as a glorified spiritual body. He then ascended and took his right to the throne. YHWH would no longer just appear as a cloud above the mercy seat. He now had a glorified spiritual body and would sit on the throne, to rule forever.
ChieftheCef
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Mark 2:5
“When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, ‘Son, your sins are forgiven.’“
Sins were forgiven before Jesus died nullifying the idea that Jesus had to die to forgive sins.
“When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, ‘Son, your sins are forgiven.’“
Sins were forgiven before Jesus died nullifying the idea that Jesus had to die to forgive sins.
ChieftheCef
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Mathew 16:28
"Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." “
Let’s think about it this way: Jesus said the disciples would be around and they aren’t.
"Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." “
Let’s think about it this way: Jesus said the disciples would be around and they aren’t.
ChieftheCef
Well-Known Member
Genesis 4:16-17
“So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch.”
Cain’s wife came from a town that had already existed prior to Eden.
“So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch.”
Cain’s wife came from a town that had already existed prior to Eden.
ChieftheCef
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The ark was 500 feet big, how could any ship hold a breeding population (which you actually need to make a species in the wild, not just two organisms but thousands)? What about plants?
ChieftheCef
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The word for sphere is dur (circle), not galgal (sphere).
Isaiah 40:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."
That’s this
It’s shaped like a roll deodorant stick and it’s the Hebrews conception of reality.It's entirely wrong and we can know, easily, because you can’t look out to the mountains past any body of water of sufficient size.
Isaiah 40:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."
That’s this
It’s shaped like a roll deodorant stick and it’s the Hebrews conception of reality.It's entirely wrong and we can know, easily, because you can’t look out to the mountains past any body of water of sufficient size.
ChieftheCef
Well-Known Member
Besides these badness is composed of goodness. Bad is good and good is bad. Death leaves room for life, damage heals back stronger, the world runs on wastes. You writers say that badness is not to be tolerated but it's not true.