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If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

ChieftheCef

Active Member
Prophecies
They were written before by people who had the intel from other, including enemy nations of what’s going to happen. They also knew the science of the day, which included spirituality (diseases were known to be spread by contact, they couldn’t understand why such a positive world would make it so horrible}. They knew the land was drying by the receding of the deserts; drying of aquifers.

They knew the weather would change because they had historical scientific records. They just also knew no one believed them at the time.

“Interestingly enough, the section that makes the claim is not able to present even one verse that specifically makes a prophecy about restoring the Jews to their homeland (such verses do exist), but rather a series of verses that simply state that if they don’t fall in line, then God will scatter them. To be honest, I think you would be extremely hard pressed to find any nation state from that time that has not seen their descendants scattered across the earth.”

This shows that they were man-made by teams of people so eloquently.

Ezekiel 26:1-7

A Prophecy Against Tyre
26 In the eleventh month of the twelfth[a] year, on the first day of the month, the word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, because Tyre has said of Jerusalem, ‘Aha! The gate to the nations is broken, and its doors have swung open to me; now that she lies in ruins I will prosper,’ therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Tyre, and I will bring many nations against you, like the sea casting up its waves.They will destroy the walls of Tyre and pull down her towers; I will scrape away her rubble and make her a bare rock. Out in the sea she will become a place to spread fishnets, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord. She will become plunder for the nations, and her settlements on the mainland will be ravaged by the sword. Then they will know that I am the Lord.

See according to the Babylonians at the time Tyre would be no more. They released the story…

“Here God explicitly states that Nebuchadnezzar would completely sack and destroy the city of Tyre and that Tyre’s land would never be built upon again. However, this never occurred. After a 13-year siege, Tyre compromised with Nebuchadnezzar and accepted his authority without being destroyed. Despite being conquered and razed by Alexander the Great 240 years later, Tyre still exists.”

And had to change it but couldn’t.

“These “prophets” were also frequently so vague in the predictions they made that you could mold them into about any historical event you wanted.”

For many prophecies they just wrote it in after the fact as fulfilled.

All quotes from Claimed Evidence: Prophecy in the Bible • Skeptical Science (skeptical-science.com)
 

TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
Mathew 16:28

"Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." “

Let’s think about it this way: Jesus said the disciples would be around and they aren’t.
His Kingdom came on the day of Pentecost, and they were around.
 

TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
Genesis 4:16-17

“So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch.”

Cain’s wife came from a town that had already existed prior to Eden.
You don't know when that town existed, or where Cain's wife came from. That information is not given.
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
Oh wow, and Jesus said that? Wow saying things makes it true. In fact it's surprising and nuanced that Jesus proposed himself god.

Idk but in saying this, he’s saying he’s God. And it’s pretty obvious. It isn’t nuanced. Oh, and by the way, he means God in the flesh, not his father.
 

Frank Goad

Well-Known Member
Hi everyone, I'm Jewish, and I'm here to engage in a respectful and open discussion about the role of Jesus Christ. As someone who doesn't believe in Christ, I hold the perspective that both Christianity and Islam have been orchestrated by God to spread monotheism.

Recently, I had a thought-provoking discussion with a spokesman from a Christian institute on youtube, and it led me to ponder how difficult to discern Christ's true nature without understanding Hebrew.

Just for the sake of discussion, if Christ wasn't the Messiah, what was he?

I do apologize if anyone is offended, but I think we should have an open, respectful, and tolerant discussion about anything.
I look forward to hearing different perspectives and engaging in a thoughtful exchange of ideas.
I read in a book some were(sorry can't remember the name:()that some people believed Jesus wasn't the Messiah.But just a really powerful wizard.Sorry if this bothers anyone.:(
 

ChieftheCef

Active Member
I read in a book some were(sorry can't remember the name:()that some people believed Jesus wasn't the Messiah.But just a really powerful wizard.Sorry if this bothers anyone.:(
I hope it bothers them because they that get bothered very typically have an unnanounced deep seated hatred of me and want or even don't mind if I die in judgement day.
 
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