If Devout Jews rule Israel: Should Shabbath breakers be killed?

[psychoslice]

Indeed cause now we live in a much better world.Nowadays you get killed for being born in the wrong place. What a wonderful world

Yes It is a wonderful world, but sometimes there are jerks that ruin it, it has always been so.

 

[psychoslice]

Today, no one is killed because the system to do so doesn't exist.
When the system exists, no one who is required to will not keep the Sabbath.
So either way, no killing.

So when did this not killing happen, and why, I mean that is what God wanted ?.

 

[rosends]

So when did this not killing happen, and why, I mean that is what God wanted ?.

You moved to past tense. I was speaking in present and future. This "not killing" is happening and will happen in the future, precisely as God expects.

 

[David1967]

In what i am wrong exactly ?
I still confused,do you still practice the laws that I posted?

I'm a bit confused too. The things you mentioned as not being enforced in Jewish law by the death penalty are clearly not practiced today. I'm not choosing sides in their discussion. I just don't see where the disagreement is concerning what you said.

 

[Unification]

Written Scripture has been translated numerous times over the centuries and in my view the original term did not mean "kill" which is a contradiction of the Lord's commandments

[QUOTE="rosends, post: 4552232, member: 55734]"I mean, I can easily do so, but I'm wondering at what your approach is.

I am not sure what you mean by "your approach"? Please explain[/QUOTE]

If I were to take scriptures literally, and I viewed "Jesus" as a historical figure...

I wouldn't see the "commandments" as "thou shall not kill.... EXCEPT WHEN... enter "excuse" here."

For if "Jesus" were historical and I was bound to believe that doctrine...he did not act in self defense... he turned the other cheek and died with taking no self defense. Murdering in self defense would be anti-Christ-like.

 

[David1967]

This is why I think Judaism is morally superior to Christianity or Islam. As a culture, Jews are more morally pragmatic. They adopt new and better ethics as those are found. Then, if necessary, they find ways to justify those superior morals scripturally.

Tom

I wont get into the which religion is morally superior to which discussion. But Godobeyers observation that the Jews no longer stone people to death is to their credit. The law did not change, but the penalty enforced by man did. Thankfully!

 

[David1967]

who cares what the gospels say? Why cite them. I only listen to credible sources.

 

[psychoslice]

You moved to past tense. I was speaking in present and future. This "not killing" is happening and will happen in the future, precisely as God expects.

So there are people being killed for not keeping the Sabbath ?.

 

[psychoslice]

Exodus 31:14
"'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people.

 

[rosends]

So there are people being killed for not keeping the Sabbath ?.

No, as I stated, "Today, no one is killed because the system to do so doesn't exist.".

 

[Unification]

So there are people being killed for not keeping the Sabbath ?.

If I didn't keep the seven characteristics of good within my inner nature that have caused inner peace and rest....my mind would "spiritually die" and I would backslide into suffering lest I stone to death all of the abstract things that have caused me to backslide. Those creepy crawly abstract thoughts and emotions flying around through me must be put to death.

But don't tell this to a literal fundamentalist. That is one who is devoutly inward.

 

[psychoslice]

If I didn't keep the seven characteristics of good within my inner nature that have caused inner peace and rest....my mind would "spiritually die" and I would backslide into suffering lest I stone to death all of the abstract things that have caused me to backslide. Those creepy crawly abstract thoughts and emotions flying around through me must be put to death.

But don't tell this to a literal fundamentalist.

Now your talking my language, good one.

 

[columbus]

I wont get into the which religion is morally superior to which discussion.

I will.
I am not a theist. I don't have a bias. But I certainly do have opinions. I think Judaism is morally superior to Christianity which is superior to Islam. I'm talking general terms here, not individuals.
I also think that Hinduism is superior to any of the three and Buddhism is better than Hinduism. But I am less willing to back that up, as I am less familiar with them as cultures.

Tom

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manna

Exodus states that the Israelites consumed the manna for forty years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

The Exodus (from Greek ἔξοδος exodos, "going out") is the founding, or etiological, myth of Israel


So academia calls your manna myth. Rightfully so due the Canaanite origins of its people.

Lol, what astounding non-academic rubbish..... We do Not, did not, record our history in Greek ...
and look a little closer at the hieroglyph of our sojourn and departure from Egypt ....
perhaps you may even find reason for Arkenaton's change in beliefs, and perhaps some
insight into changes that occurred in the culture between the first and last Ramesis ....

 

[Shad]

I'm a bit confused too. The things you mentioned as not being enforced in Jewish law by the death penalty are clearly not practiced today. I'm not choosing sides in their discussion. I just don't see where the disagreement is concerning what you said.

The disagreement is the reason why. There are a few side in this argument. 1. Modern Jews or Judaism are lax in religious duties. 2. Judaism evolved due to external influences thus external necessity in order to conform with the societies around them. Religion conforms to the society rather than guiding it. 3. Judaism evolved due to external and internal influence but is consistent with internal thought, interpretation and development. The law is not applicable as the parameters required for it no longer exist or will exist later. Judaism guides society rather than being the product of it.

 

[Shad]

Lol, what astounding non-academic rubbish..... We do Not, did not, record our history in Greek ...
and look a little closer at the hieroglyph of our sojourn and departure from Egypt ....

The Exodus is not considered factual history nor is there an depiction of a specific exodus event which can be attributed to the Hebrews alone.

perhaps you may even find reason for Arkenaton's change in beliefs, and perhaps some
insight into changes that occurred in the culture between the first and last Ramesis ....

Akhenaten's beliefs could have jump started Judaism rather than being influenced by it. Do you really want to associate a religious tyrant that destroyed the far more tolerant polytheist religion of Egypt with the Hebrews? Heck he was horrible king without his religious policies.

 

[outhouse]

Lol, what astounding non-academic rubbish..... We do Not, did not, record our history in Greek ...
and look a little closer at the hieroglyph of our sojourn and departure from Egypt ....
perhaps you may even find reason for Arkenaton's change in beliefs, and perhaps some
insight into changes that occurred in the culture between the first and last Ramesis ....

I'm sorry but the academic position on the ethnogenesis of Israelites, is not up for debate.

We already are well aware of the origins from displaced Canaanites and other Semitic peoples after the bronze age collapse.



Debating this with you is a useless experience, as I would be better of debating evolution with a YEC.

 

[Flankerl]

Exodus 31:14
"'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people.

You are free to present your complaints in front of the Sanhedrin.


Oh wait...

This may surprise you but non-Jewish scripture is of no Theological importance to Jews.

 

[psychoslice]

You are free to present your complaints in front of the Sanhedrin.


Oh wait...





This may surprise you but non-Jewish scripture is of no Theological importance to Jews.

No no, I'm not complaining at all, its just that I know its in the old testament and I am glad that this type of behaving has finished, I'm just asking why it finished, that simple.

 

[Flankerl]

No no, I'm not complaining at all, its just that I know its in the old testament and I am glad that this type of behaving has finished, I'm just asking why it finished, that simple.

You actually quoted the answer of your question.

The magical word is "Sanhedrin".