If Devout Jews rule Israel: Should Shabbath breakers be killed?

[outhouse]

I would source it in biblical text

Credible sources are required.

 

[rosends]

they stop practice stone adultery

Factual

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they stopped execute the homosexual

Factual

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they stopped marrying more than one woman

Factual

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stopped the slavery

Factual

You have sourced not a single word. We require honesty here. Source your statements

asked and answered. Stop evading.

 

[Flankerl]

You teach theology, not credible history.

"Religious Debates"

Uhm.

 

[rosends]

Credible sources are required.

And you would deny that the bible, and the oral law are credible sources. And yet they are what was in effect then as now, thus proving my argument.

 

[outhouse]

"Religious Debates"

Uhm.

Religions took place in history.

History trumps mythology in any credible debate.

 

[Godobeyer]

Or maybe...just maybe...actual Jews know what Judaism was and is better than you so in their actual practice they are doing it quite well. It is you who is mistaken.

In what i am wrong exactly ?
I still confused,do you still practice the laws that I posted?

 

[outhouse]

And you would deny that the bible, and the oral law are credible sources. And yet they are what was in effect then as now, thus proving my argument.

Credible sources are required.

 

[Godobeyer]

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they stop practice stone adultery

Factual

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they stopped execute the homosexual

Factual

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they stopped marrying more than one woman

Factual

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stopped the slavery

Factual

I don't understand the point of this conversation?
Are they claim still practice these laws,or what?

 

[Flankerl]

Religions took place in history.

History trumps mythology in any credible debate.

That is not going to lead anywhere and you know it.

Also the person you are supporting with your postings is also against your kind of logic. I don't really get this weird alliance but to each his own.

 

[rosends]

In what i am wrong exactly ?
I still confused,do you still practice the laws that I posted?

Yes, Jews DO practice the laws within the context of all the laws. The laws teach that certain punishments can only take effect at certain times. So back then as now, if the conditions aren't there, the laws are enforced in other ways. The same laws.

Just a note -- don;t confuse the effect/penalty with the law. Breaking the sabbath is against the law. The penalty for it depends on all sorts of variables, but the law remains.

 

[columbus]

I think the actual Jews are not practice Judaism as their first elders .

they stop practice stone adultery, and they stopped execute the homosexual and they stopped marrying more than one woman,stopped the slavery FOR LONG TIME AGO.

This is why I think Judaism is morally superior to Christianity or Islam. As a culture, Jews are more morally pragmatic. They adopt new and better ethics as those are found. Then, if necessary, they find ways to justify those superior morals scripturally.

Tom

 

[outhouse]

I don't understand the point of this conversation?
Are they claim still practice these laws,or what?

There has been no conversation here. Just orthodox denial who factually do not represent Judaism as a whole.


No. They are not practiced anymore. You were correct sir

 

[Debater Slayer]

Credible sources are required.

Dude, I know this is kinda off topic and so I'm not going to pursue it much here, but seriously... you use the words "credible," "rhetoric," "mythology," "substantiate," and "theist" way too much. Sometimes I get the feeling that you might pop up out of nowhere if I type one of these words in a post, as if they were keywords in your search engine. I know that sometimes we need to use certain words to express ourselves, but not like this.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes, Jews DO practice the laws within the context of all the laws. The laws teach that certain punishments can only take effect at certain times. So back then as now, if the conditions aren't there, the laws are enforced in other ways. The same laws.

So the laws are existed but it's depend the conditions, I get it

Which conditions are required to practice all laws that I posted?

 

[outhouse]

Dude, I know this is kinda off topic and so I'm not going to pursue it much here, but seriously... you use the words "credible," "rhetoric," "mythology," "substantiate," and "theist" way too much. Sometimes I get the feeling that you might pop up out of nowhere if I type one of these words in a post, as if they were keywords in your search engine. I know that sometimes we need to use certain words to express ourselves, but not like this.

One cannot use biblical mythology as a credible source in any debate.

He admitted that his only source was biblical, that is not credible.




Do you think we should let YEC use the bible as a source in biological debates ?


Right now I'm dealing with some very severe orthodox fanaticism, and a complete refusal to communicate.

 

[rosends]

So the laws are existed but it's depend the conditions, I get it

Which conditions are required to practice all laws that I posted?

We practice the laws but the system requires a certain setting and religious government in order to pursue capital punishment. This doesn't change the fact that we follow the law, just that we do so without the fear of the biblically listed punishment.

 

[Godobeyer]

This is why I think Judaism is morally superior to Christianity or Islam. As a culture, Jews are more morally pragmatic. They adopt new and better ethics as those are found. Then, if necessary, they find ways to justify those superior morals scripturally.

Tom

So it's good that a religion because like Chameleon, the laws changed by "mode" of it's followers.

So let's make new law instead of old one,and store the other in memory (souvenir)!!!

 

[outhouse]

Which conditions are required to practice all laws that I posted?

You talked about the punishments of the laws in context, he is trying to sidestep that completely and change the context of your reply.

The punishment as you stated is not practiced as it once was. You were factually correct.

.

 

[Godobeyer]

We practice the laws but the system requires a certain setting and religious government in order to pursue capital punishment. This doesn't change the fact that we follow the law, just that we do so without the fear of the biblically listed punishment.

Thats what I talked about , I said "you stopped", I did not say you CHANGED the law .

 

[rosends]

Thats what I talked about , I said "you stopped", I did not say you CHANGED the law .

The law didn't change, nor was following the law stopped. The capital punishment was never allowed in certain contexts and we are simply obeying that requirement. For example, biblically, a death penalty requires 2 witnesses. If there weren't 2 witnesses, then the penalty was NEVER enforced. If, today, no one satisfied the biblical demands to qualify as "witness" then we are following the same law and process when we don't kill anyone. QED.