outhouse
Atheistically
Please stop telling me facts are not facts.
Either substantiate your position with credible sources, or admit you wrong and Godobeyer was actually correct as could be
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If Devout Jews rule Israel: Should Shabbath breakers be killed?
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Please stop telling me facts are not facts.
Either substantiate your position with credible sources, or admit you wrong and Godobeyer was actually correct as could be
outhouse
Atheistically
You do not live in most Jews world.
Nor does your religion practice what ancient Israelites did, who had no concept of what you even call religion.
Some claim muslims do not do enough to help correct their own culture, and here one actually does, and you have to try and pick on him, even though you cannot correct a single one of his facts he thankfully provided.
Is this a case of jews arguing just because its typical trouble making rhetoric? Sir you back up your claims, and or thank the man for being positive.
rosends
Well-Known Member
I live in the world of Judaism -- the same world of Judaism as has been studied and practiced for over 2000 years. You don't have to like it but it is true. The word "religion" is immaterial -- the issue is "way of life" and it is the same way of life, operating under the same overarching set of rules and beliefs.
What do I care about what he does about Muslim culture. But if his methodology is to denigrate Judaism and speak out of ignorance about Judaism, I have every right to call him on it.
No, this is a case of people not knowing the difference between Judaism and the specific biblical practices which were the implementation of Judaism at that time. Just because we don't carry a spade with us to bury our excrement doesn't mean that we don't practice Judaism. You should learn the distinction between the localized behaviors and the actual religious commands,
rosends
Well-Known Member
You do not live in ANY Jews' world. So I'm in the lead on that front.
Nor does your religion practice what ancient Israelites did, who had no concept of what you even call religion.
Some claim muslims do not do enough to help correct their own culture, and here one actually does, and you have to try and pick on him, even though you cannot correct a single one of his facts he thankfully provided.
Is this a case of jews arguing just because its typical trouble making rhetoric? Sir you back up your claims, and or thank the man for being positive.[/QUOTE]
The facts are that I live as a Jew following the same laws and rules. You keep confusing the biblical behaviors for practicing a complete religion. You sound foolish when you do that.
outhouse
Atheistically
1800 ish years, and no you are not practicing the same thing that is rhetoric. You think you are, but you are the minority here. YOU do not represent what is and is not Jewish from a minority position.
And in context we are dealing with text 2500 years old. So thank you for admitting your error here.
they stop practice stone adultery
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they stopped execute the homosexual
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they stopped marrying more than one woman
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stopped the slavery
Factual
Sir you back up your claims, and or thank the man for being positive. Deal with each one in context.
rosends
Well-Known Member
I'll try to make this simple for you. In the desert, there were certain rules and expectations -- like collecting manna. In Israel, where there was no manna, that practice was not necessary. This doesn't mean that the people in Israel didn't practice biblical Judaism, but that practice of observing the sabbath had to be implemented in a different way. When there was a proper court, there was (rare) capital punishment, but the system had a built in method for when there was no court. No, we have no court, so though we are not doing the behaviors, we are following the same religion. It isn't that complex.
outhouse
Atheistically
That is 100% mythical by all academic standards. It factually has no historicity as ever existing.
And in context we are dealing with text 2500 years old. So thank you for admitting your error here.
they stop practice stone adultery
Factual
↑
they stopped execute the homosexual
Factual
↑
they stopped marrying more than one woman
Factual
↑
stopped the slavery
Factual
Sir you back up your claims, and or thank the man for being positive. Deal with each one in context.
rosends
Well-Known Member
That may the funniest thing you have written. "In context". Do you understand that context is exactly the point here? That the context of the desert, of the land of Israel, of Babylon, are all the issue but that the religion stayed the same the whole time?
The religion accounts for differences in location It doesn't expect identical ACTIONS as ways of following it, but identical adherence to the COMPLETE laws. Which you don't understand.
rosends
Well-Known Member
Ah, I see. You are denying any religious validity to the historical Judaism as detailed in the text. So to you none of it has any value. Therefore, there is no value in trying to explain a religion to you. Why didn't you just say that you deny all of it and move on?
outhouse
Atheistically
So your cherry picking mythology now? You do not represent academic knowledge. I do.
rosends
Well-Known Member
You represent nothing but your own ignorance of Judaism cloaked in your denial of it. Feel free to espouse that. I find it humorous.
rosends
Well-Known Member
Actually, I did back up my claims You refused to read them.
outhouse
Atheistically
If I wanted credible knowledge on Judaism, I ask my professor.
Not some minority sect that most jews avoid.
NOT ONLY THAT, but his topic addressed the people and their practices, not just their religion YOU factually do not practice.
The religion has factually evolved since 2500 years ago
outhouse
Atheistically
rosends
Well-Known Member
Most Jews avoid me? First, "most" didn't call me Jewish. Of course, neither of these claims is based in any truth at all. His topic addressed the people and practices of the religion. I practice the religion which transcends the specific behaviors and always has. The religion HAS evolved, but that evolution was built into the system from the get go. In fact, some would say evolving" is absolute proof that the religion has remained the same. Of course, you can't understand that apparent paradox. That's part of your problem.
outhouse
Atheistically
I have taught this at an accredited college, because I stand for academic standards. I do not pervert them like the orthodox minority are known to do.