If Devout Jews rule Israel: Should Shabbath breakers be killed?

[David1967]

You are free to present your complaints in front of the Sanhedrin.


Oh wait...





This may surprise you but non-Jewish scripture is of no Theological importance to Jews.

No surprise at all....imagine that.

 

[psychoslice]

You actually quoted the answer of your question.

The magical word is "Sanhedrin".

I see, and who gave them that authority.

You actually quoted the answer of your question.

The magical word is "Sanhedrin".

I see, so God told them to do away with it, like the Christians say that Jesus death on the cross finished all of that horrible stuff in the old testament ?.

 

[Flankerl]

I see, and who gave them that authority.

Devarim 16:18
You shall set up judges and law enforcement officials for yourself in all your cities that the Lord, your God, is giving you, for your tribes, and they shall judge the people [with] righteous judgment.

Bamidbar 11:16
Then the Lord said to Moses, "Assemble for Me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom you know to be the people's elders and officers, and you shall take them to the Tent of Meeting, and they shall stand there with You.

I see, so God told them to do away with it, like the Christians say that Jesus death on the cross finished all of that horrible stuff in the old testament ?.

So which part of "There is no Sanhedrin" do you not understand?

We'd have to do a couple of things.

#1: Bring all the Jews to Tiberias
#1,5: Not sure where everyone is supposed to sleep
#2: Everyone calm the **** down
#2,5: Somehow stop the Na Nachs from playing loud music
#3: Elect/Select the 71 wisest of them
And well we wouldn't come further.
Granted the entire endeavour would fail at #1 but #2 and #3 are also in the way.

Not even the most senior of our elders, @metis, would be able to do all these things.

 

[psychoslice]

Devarim 16:18
You shall set up judges and law enforcement officials for yourself in all your cities that the Lord, your God, is giving you, for your tribes, and they shall judge the people [with] righteous judgment.

Bamidbar 11:16
Then the Lord said to Moses, "Assemble for Me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom you know to be the people's elders and officers, and you shall take them to the Tent of Meeting, and they shall stand there with You.




So which part of "There is no Sanhedrin" do you not understand?

We'd have to do a couple of things.

#1: Bring all the Jews to Tiberias
#1,5: Not sure where everyone is supposed to sleep
#2: Everyone calm the **** down
#2,5: Somehow stop the Na Nachs from playing loud music
#3: Elect/Select the 71 wisest of them
And well we wouldn't come further.
Granted the entire endeavour would fail at #1 but #2 and #3 are also in the way.

Not even the most senior of our elders, @metis, would be able to do all these things.

Mmmm, interesting, I have certainly been ignorant, but then I was in a Christian church for many years, and feed a lot of crap. Those books you quoted from, what are they and where did they come from, just interested thanks.

 

[Flankerl]

Devarim is Deutoro...nomo... yeah that word and Bamidbar is Numbers.

Just basic Torah.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Jesus was rather clear he was there for Israel. He even basically called a woman a b---- (female dog) because she wasn't Jewish and was constantly shocked when gentiles showed faith.

Jesus was rather clear he was there for Israel. He even basically called a woman a b---- (female dog) because she wasn't Jewish and was constantly shocked when gentiles showed faith.

Sorry I read the Gospels in Arabic
But Jesus did not call this description
Do you kindly and give me a place this phrase or words of the Gospel
with many thanks

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I have to say, I'm impressed. In Christianity, our "mega super ultra" folks seem to think only the most hateful and spiteful texts are worth God's time and theirs.

Christian in general do not feel superior
Christ was a Jew
If you believe in Christ as it must also believe in the Jews
But in the mundane laws of Christ it has announced it's not from his teachings
This is the main difference between Christ and the nationality
Jews know that they want to get rid of Roman rule
They were waiting for the Messiah differently
To this day Jews do not recognize Jesus as
Jews have been able to return to Palestine after two thousand years or more
I think that this dream achieved because Christians believe Jews
And believe in the fact of their presence
I hope that this will be the key to Jewish-Christian dialogue

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Also in the Quran:

We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person - unless it be in retaliation for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew all mankind: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all humanity.

This Contradictions Koran
Kill the infidels and polytheists, Christians and Jews
It is from the Qur'an
I think that this verse in Sura copied and repentance

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

For the record, Moses is in the Islamic book as well

Moses in Islam

(c. 1392) –c. 1952BH(c. 1272BCE)),[2]known asMosesin the Hebrew Bible, is considered aprophet, messenger, and leader in Islam.[3]In Islamic tradition instead of introducing a new religion, Moses is regarded by Muslims as teaching and practicing the religion of his predecessors and confirming the scriptures and prophets before him.[4]The Quran states that Moses was sent byGod (Arabic: [[Allah|الله‎]]Allāh) to the Pharaoh of Egypt and the Israelites for guidance and warning. Moses is mentioned more in the Quran than any other individual, and his life is narrated and recounted more than that of any other prophet.[5]According to Islam, all Muslims must have faith in every prophet (nabi) and messengers (rasul) which includes Moses and his brother Aaron(Harun). The Quran states:

Also mention in the Book (the story of) Moses: for he was specially chosen, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet.
And we called him from the right side of Mount (Sinai), and made him draw near to Us, for mystic (converse).
And, out of Our Mercy, We gave him his brother Aaron, (also) a prophet.

Koran stories about Moses and David are not true
Because he was in the Koran recognizes Moses and Christ
So why the war on those who follow Moses and Christ announced ???
Why did not respect Muhammad follow two religions live in peace with them ??
Why Koran gives descriptions are not decent to the Jews ??
It contradictions Koran

 

[outhouse]

Koran stories about Moses and David are not true

Bible stories are not true either. They factually do not have historicity as written.

Because he was in the Koran recognizes Moses and Christ

No because when you copy or plagiarize mythology, you get copied mythology.

 

[Godobeyer]

Who said God's law changed? The enforcement and penalties are implemented following the law which accounts for different situations. We just covered this.

If we are commanded to bring sacrifices after sinning but only when there is a temple, when there is no temple we are commanded not to bring sacrifices. I don't understand your final question.

If i am wrong correct me , as i understand , the Jewish law (especially punishements laws,and slavery,
polygamy) are required temple .
so because the temple is not exist , the laws are disables !

If it's YES, then can you give me the references from Torah which said, the punishement laws (Adutlery,Homosexual) and slavery,and polygamy are required temple and sacrifices to temple

 

[rosends]

If i am wrong correct me , as i understand , the Jewish law (especially punishements laws,and slavery,
polygamy) are required temple .
so because the temple is not exist , the laws are disables !

OK, you are wrong. Those laws were applied in the desert before there was a temple. And the laws that are contingent on a temple have a built in application when there is no law. Think about it this way -- the law, as written completely reads "if you have a temple, follow ______ but when you don't have a temple follow ______." So when we follow the second _______ we are still following the law, not abandoning it.

If it's YES, then can you give me the references from Torah which said, the punishement laws (Adutlery,Homosexual) and slavery,and polygamy are required temple and sacrifices to temple

The punishments require a sanhedrin -- a proper biblical court, which we don't have. Sacrifices require a temple or, as the text reads, a specific place (tabernacle when there is no temple). Try Deut 12:14
"14But only in the place the Lord will choose in one of your tribes; there you shall offer up your burnt offerings, and there you shall do all that I command you."

 

[Godobeyer]

OK, you are wrong. Those laws were applied in the desert before there was a temple. And the laws that are contingent on a temple have a built in application when there is no law. Think about it this way -- the law, as written completely reads "if you have a temple, follow ______ but when you don't have a temple follow ______." So when we follow the second _______ we are still following the law, not abandoning it.

The punishments require a sanhedrin -- a proper biblical court, which we don't have. Sacrifices require a temple or, as the text reads, a specific place (tabernacle when there is no temple). Try Deut 12:14
"14But only in the place the Lord will choose in one of your tribes; there you shall offer up your burnt offerings, and there you shall do all that I command you."

So practice the punishement laws does not require a temple and 2 witnesses as it's said before, it's required biblical court (sanhedrin) Hmm !!!

What is the role of "the scrifices" to temple concerning practicing Jewish laws,i mean why does the practice of Jewish religious law need a temple? Are you referring to activities that are themselves impossible without the temple?

How about polygamy and slavery,I don't think it's required also biblical court, Why the actual Jews stop practice these two laws ?

 

[rosends]

So practice the punishement laws does not require a temple and 2 witnesses as it's said before, it's required biblical court (sanhedrin) Hmm !!!

What is the role of "the scrifices" to temple concerning practicing Jewish laws,i mean why does the practice of Jewish religious law need a temple? Are you referring to activities that are themselves impossible without the temple?

How about polygamy and slavery,I don't think it's required also biblical court, Why the actual Jews stop practice these two laws ?

If you read through what I said, I pointed out that I used the explanation of witnesses to set up the logic, not because it was precisely the point. I also didn't say that punishment requires the temple -- however there are elements that require a place like the temple. The sanhedrin is required to enact certain punishments and investigate the witnesses. Without the court, we can't have proper witnesses so the court is primary.

Certain Jewish behaviors require a temple or a proper substitute. Some laws are dependent on "going to the temple" while others aren't. Some require "going to a place" and there are substitute places or people. When you bring up "polygamy and slavery" you are confusing the existence of laws (which exist regardless of anything) and the punishments which are levied for the breaking of those laws (which are dependent on the situation). So even today, Judaism "allows" polygamy and biblical slavery even tough later authorities have made temporary rulings suspending the practices. The practices are still inherently tolerated under biblical law but were never preferred. Read http://www.shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/08-06.html for more info.

 

[metis]

Not even the most senior of our elders, metis, would be able to do all these things.

Oh, you sooooooooooooo much underestimate my abilities!

 

[Useless2015]

This Contradictions Koran
Kill the infidels and polytheists, Christians and Jews
It is from the Qur'an
I think that this verse in Sura copied and repentance

This verse is about Jews..?? Can you read?

 

[Useless2015]

It's always been like that. But do you think also people should be killed for working on sundays?

No but this is a punishment reserved only for the Jews. I don't follow Sabbat.

 

[gnostic]

You confuse the law of Moses and the teachings of Christ
The law of Moses and the Torah are special people
And the people is the Hebrew or Jewish people, which the children of Israel
Jews consider Jehovah's ownership of the people of Israel

Sorry, but Jesus didn't introduce a new law, and he had no new law enforced.

Much of what Jesus preached, were if not parables, were merely rhetoric.

Jesus said that if a man look at woman with desire, and they are not married, then he has already committed adultery. IF that's law, then it is not only impractical (and utterly stupid), it is unenforceable.

Also stupid (IF it happen to be law) is Jesus teaching that anyone marrying another person AFTER a divorce is committing adultery.

 

[gnostic]

Anyone who advocates the death of another is in violation of the Lords covenant


6. Thou shalt not kill. [this is the order of the Lord and I see no exceptions]


What else is there left to say?

Anyone, as "anyone" being as being an Israelite or a Jew. The Ten Commandments doesn't apply to everyone who don't have ancestry to the line of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And with ten out of the twelve tribes disappearing, how can the law be applied?

 

[Akivah]

The current Jews in Israel are evil.

So you are saying that you consider people that actually engage in stoning to be evil. So you believe that all Muslims that currently engage in stoning are evil, right?