If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[godnotgod]

"Where is my Precious, The Absolute? Have you seen my Precious?"

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Not denial, just dismissal of your pretentious BS and obnoxious cliches, and deep boredom with your interminable preaching of your Frankenstein DIY religion.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

"You're not listening to me! You don't care about my Precious, The Absolute!"

 

[godnotgod]

As was said by the great Irish swami, Seamus K. Nandy, "The universe is just the universe, seen through the glass of Guinness."

But it was that world famous Mexican swami, Negat A Nandy, who said:

"The Universe is just a universe, but it's a not-universe"

 

[godnotgod]

Not denial, just dismissal of your pretentious preachy BS.

(...as he laps up every last drop of it....Guinness, that is, drunken fool that he is)

 

[Runewolf1973]

OK. So if there is no 'other' that it can be compared to, it cannot be relative. Not being relative, it can, by default, only be The Absolute. Is this logic bullet-proof, or not? If not, demonstrate that, via logic.

Thanks

I have no problem if you insist on using the term Absolute for universe, but why? To make it seem more dramatic? Listen up people, it's the Absolute!! Oooh!!....Ahhh!!!..

 

[godnotgod]

"You're not listening to me! You don't care about my Precious, The Absolute!"

Scuttle the Guinness....you're going to need a stronger brew...

 

[godnotgod]

I have no problem if you insist on using the term Absolute for universe, but why? To make it seem more dramatic? Listen up people, it's the Absolute!! Oooh!!....Ahhh!!!..

I can't believe, that after all these pages, you still don't see why.

hint: most people see the Universe as an object, a relative object.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

"I am tired from my incessant prattling and tortuous tautologies, I will look for my Precious, The Absolute, after some "mushroom tea" with the Mad Hatter.."

 

[Runewolf1973]

Your description of things isn't accurate. The only conclusion I can infer from that, is that you haven't meditated enough, etc. That would 'match', the /level of what your saying/position

Be specific. What do you not find accurate?

 

[Runewolf1973]

I can't believe, that after all these pages, you still don't see why.

hint: most people see the Universe as an object, a relative object.

Sorry, I guess I'm not like most people.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Your description of things isn't accurate. The only conclusion I can infer from that, is that you haven't meditated enough, etc. That would 'match', the /level of what your saying/position

Meditation is about recognising the distinction between ideas and reality, being fully in the present, insight, seeing through comforting fictions and beliefs.

The new-age god "The Absolute" is a fiction, just another metaphysical straw to clutch at.

Your "level" is not in the least bit convincing. I would recommend practising mindfulness of the body, it has a grounding effect.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Sorry, I guess I'm not like most people.

Ironically you are one of the sanest people on the thread.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Meditation is about recognising the distinction between fiction and reality, seeing things clearly, insight.

The new-age god "The Absolute" is a fiction, just another metaphysical straw to clutch at.

The infinite, incomparable universe is a new-age god? Maybe it's just me, but I do see some truth in what GNG say's, I just have a different way of saying it.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The infinite, incomparable universe is a new-age god?

gNg has made it into a new-age god by calling it "The Absolute", it's the corner stone of his DIY religion. Of course the goal-posts are continually moving, one minute it it's just the universe, the next minute it is Brahman ( pantheism ), the next it is "Cosmic Consciousness" where all our cells are conscious, and so on.

Calling the universe "The Absolute" opens the floodgates for a tidal wave of woo, which is the point of doing it. It is like Choprism on steroids.

 

[godnotgod]

Sorry, I guess I'm not like most people.

Well, c'mon, now: if you don't see the Universe as a relative 'other', then you must see it as The Absolute. Therefore, to answer your original question, calling it The Absolute should not be a problem for you, as Vivekenanda said:

"The Universe is The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"

Remove these filters and the Universe comes alive, from an unconscious object of perception, to seeing yourself as IT, fully conscious, fully alive and vibrant. What more could anyone ask?

 

[Runewolf1973]

gNg has made it into a new-age god by calling it "The Absolute", it's the corner stone of his DIY religion. Of course the goal-posts are continually moving, one minute it it's just the universe, the next minute it is Brahman ( pantheism ), the next it is "Cosmic Consciousness" where all our cells are conscious, and so on.

Calling the universe "The Absolute" opens the floodgates for a tidal wave of woo, which is the point of doing it. It is like Choprism on steroids.

Yes, agreed it can get kinda messy or even misconstrued when too much funky jargon is used. Despite this however, I do find GNG's underlying message to be accurate and true. I personally don't see any major flaws with his views other than maybe just the way in which he presents them.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Well, c'mon, now: if you don't see the Universe as a relative 'other', then you must see it as The Absolute. Therefore, to answer your original question, calling it The Absolute should not be a problem for you, as Vivekenanda said:

"The Universe is The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"

Remove these filters and the Universe comes alive, from an unconscious object of perception, to seeing yourself as IT, fully conscious, fully alive and vibrant. What more could anyone ask?

No, I don't see it as a problem.

 

[godnotgod]

gNg has made it into a new-age god by calling it "The Absolute", it's the corner stone of his DIY religion. Of course the goal-posts are continually moving, one minute it it's just the universe, the next minute it is Brahman ( pantheism ), the next it is "Cosmic Consciousness" where all our cells are conscious, and so on.

Calling the universe "The Absolute" opens the floodgates for a tidal wave of woo, which is the point of doing it. It is like Choprism on steroids.

No, it is like YOU on a hot griddle!

So where does Spiney's error in logic lie? He is trying to tell us that simply calling the Universe 'The Absolute' instantly creates a new age god and religion. This his his Knee Jerk Syndrome in action, which suppresses all rational thought, and causes his heels to click together and his arm to be raised in Nazi salute uncontrollably. Poor fellow! He is truly vexed!

Security! Another six-pack of Guinness Stout!

...or better yet, Fuhrerbeer

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[godnotgod]

No, I don't see it as a problem.

So you see the key is the 'glass of Time, Space, and Causation' that hides The Universe as being none other than The Absolute, just as maya hides the rope from us, and we see a snake instead.