If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[godnotgod]

Indeed, and our everyday world operates according to Newtonian rather than quantum mechanics.

Without the Unified Field underpinning everything, there would be no Newtonian anything. The mass of all atomic structure is created via fluctuations in the Unified Field. From that point, all molecular structure is built. You want to eliminate the very source of the physical world you live in, and focus only on the gross level.

 

[godnotgod]

It's not about world-views, it's about the physical range of our senses and about the physical forces like gravity which affect us in our everyday world.

It's called 'conditioning', as in 'altered states of consciousness', like when we see a rope as a snake. OTOH, the state of unconditioned consciousness just sees things as they are. QM is providing a glimpse into what Newtonian physics thought was solid material, overturning its applecart. But the mystics have already gone much deeper some 4000 years ago.

 

[godnotgod]

You have completely misunderstood the rope/snake metaphor by the way.

The metaphor is that of rope to The Absolute and snake to The Universe. It says that the rope (ie Absolute) is mistaken for the snake (ie material Universe). It's quite simple. What is there that is misunderstood?

 

[atanu]

The energy that makes up everything in the universe and has evolved since the beginning to various forms we are aware of and even forms we aren't so keen on.

That's not the same as what I am saying. Legion never did address my saying that everything are different forms of what makes up the universe since the beginning. What are your objections and why. Matter as we understand it didn't always exist its current form, it was an evolution as the universe expanded and cooled.

First you said 'The energy that makes up ..' and then you say 'what makes up the universe since the beginning..'.

Decide.

 

[idav]

First you said 'The energy that makes up ..' and then you say 'what makes up the universe since the beginning..'.

Decide.

The first lead to me saying it evolved. The second is a reference to Evolved forms. I don't see the contradiction unless you cut off the quote to avoid context.

 

[atanu]

The first lead to me saying it evolved. The second is a reference to Evolved forms. I don't see the contradiction unless you cut off the quote to avoid context.

So then tell us exactly what makes up the universe from the beginning?

 

[idav]

No, it debunks some of the assumptions that are embedded in science, which in turn is trying to prop itself up as the authority about matter and energy.

So it haven't been debunked you just have some air to do issue with observation being included as a methodology. Seems kinda cheeky.

 

[idav]

So then tell us exactly what makes up the universe from the beginning?

Forms of energy that evolve over time. That's my understanding you don't have to take my word for it.

 

[atanu]

Forms of energy that evolve over time. That's my understanding you don't have to take my word for it.

Yeah. That is okay and good spirit, suggesting that it is your view alone.

But, in my understanding, that is not what science says and that is not what any religion that I know of says.

 

[idav]

Why cannot we just accept that 'Energy' in science is not


So then tell us exactly what makes up the universe from the beginning?

http://www.space.com/25788-amazing-universe-evolution-simulation-video.html

 

[idav]

Yeah. That is okay and good spirit, suggesting that it is your view alone.

But, in my understanding, that is not what science says and that is not what any religion that I know of says.

To give kind of a history of the universe, mind you we weren't there but consensus suggests matter formed from the energy of the Big Bang.

This article describes the evolution of the first element hydrogen from energy.

http://www2.lbl.gov/abc/wallchart/chapters/10/0.html

 

[atanu]

http://www.space.com/25788-amazing-universe-evolution-simulation-video.html

Is that an answer to "What makes up the universe from the beginning?"

 

[idav]

Is that an answer to "What makes up the universe from the beginning?"

See my next post, that's more of a visual.

 

[atanu]

To give kind of a history of the universe, mind you we weren't there but consensus suggests matter formed from the energy of the Big Bang.

This article describes the evolution of the first element hydrogen from energy.

http://www2.lbl.gov/abc/wallchart/chapters/10/0.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...then-what-does-this-mean.185140/#post-4655884

 

[atanu]

It has been answered again and again that in physical sciences energy is a computable quantity. And in Vedanta at least, Brahman of the nature of existence-consciousness-bliss is the fundamental efficient and material cause of the universe.

 

[idav]

http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...then-what-does-this-mean.185140/#post-4655884

That's not what I am saying. It isn't just about a math equation, it's about the fact that matter had to form/evolve from energy when there was a time matter didn't even exist.

 

[idav]

It has been answered again and again that in physical sciences energy is a computable quantity. And in Vedanta at least, Brahman of the nature of existence-consciousness-bliss is the fundamental efficient and material cause of the universe.

Was there a time energy didn't exist? Doesn't seem like it but there was a time matter had not yet formed because the cosmos were too hot. Matter formed as parts of the universe began to cool and slow down.

 

[atanu]

Was there a time energy didn't exist? ..

All these have already been discussed in this thread. Again. Energy is a computed quantity. It is a measure of an effect and not a substance that exists.

 

[idav]

All these have already been discussed in this thread. Again. Energy is a computed quantity. It is a measure of an effect and not a substance that exists.

That's like saying the math doesn't represent anything real. I find that hard to believe since something is obviously being detected and calculated. Is there anything else to suggest what substance was before matter formed? Energy is the inverse of matter, there is really not much more other han space time. That sums up he universe, space time matter and energy. Anyone have anything else that isn't just a different form of those?

 

[Runewolf1973]

So then tell us exactly what makes up the universe from the beginning?

In my opinion, it is not a matter of what the universe is made of because it's not really made of anything....matter is mostly empty space. It is more a question of what is all this percieved "stuff" we see in the universe about. In my opinion it is about interaction. Action/interaction/force is everything. I consider interaction to be more fundamental than energy because the way I see it, some form of interaction was necessary to bring about all the energy in the universe to begin with. Some form of interaction is needed for energy to change form as it does. I believe that one day in the future, science will be able to put together a complete mathematical formula or equation that will basically model everything in the entire universe as a singular, unified Fundamental Force.