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If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

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Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
godnotgod said:
The self is an illusion. It is merely a collection of past images, experiences, labels, etc. all concocted together to appear as a real entity called 'I'.

There is no such 'I' in the first place that can be mindless. There is only consciousness, without an agent of consciousness.
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Consciousness is interaction.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Runewolf1973 said:
So what? Things are not always as we see them. Just because the mind percieves duality doesn't mean that the mind is separate from the universe.
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What 'mind' are you referring to that is not separate from the universe? There is no such mind. There is only the universe, and you are it.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Runewolf1973 said:
This side of reality? Sorry, but there are no "sides" to reality much like there are no real "sides" of that metaphorical river which you so desperately try to cross with your giant, ego-inflated raft.
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If there are no sides to reality, why do you talk about this and that as being unified?

'this side of reality' is meaningful to someone who has not yet realized that there are no sides to reality.

A Zen student, trying to find a place to cross a wide river:

'Master, how do you get to the other side?'
Master: 'You ARE on the other side!'
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
godnotgod said:
If there are no sides to reality, why do you talk about this and that as being unified?

'this side of reality' is meaningful to someone who has not yet realized that there are no sides to reality.

A Zen student, trying to find a place to cross a wide river:

'Master, how do you get to the other side?'
Master: 'You ARE on the other side!'
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You simply misunderstand what I am saying. There is no this or that which is unified or this and that which is interactive or interconnected. There is only interaction, interconnectivity and unity. These are NOT dualistic things. You wrongly percieve them to be dualistic.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
LegionOnomaMoi said:
There must exist a "self" for there to be a "self-created illusion". This self is the mind (or is necessarily dependent upon it)
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'self-created illusion', refers to the illusion itself. There is no such 'self', nor mind, nor 'I'. There is no experiencer of the experience; there is only the experience itself. The illusory mind creates the notion of a self that is experiencing the experience.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Runewolf1973 said:
You simply misunderstand what I am saying. There is no this or that which is unified or this and that which is interactive or interconnected. There is only interaction, interconnectivity and unity. These are dualistic things. You wrongly percieve them to be dualistic.
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No. I do not. You are the one talking about 'every-thing' being in unity and interconnected. It's what you said. And I responded that there are no such things that are so interconnected and interacting. To the conceptual mind, it only appears that there are such interacting things. You are in duality.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Runewolf1973 said:
I call bulls***. Full of ego is more like it.
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You're saying there is someone on this side of the conversation that is responding to your post? Where? There is no such entity. There is only consciousness responding to posts. There is no such responder of the response. You must like echoes, yes? This is like TS Elliot's:

"We shall prepare a face to meet the faces that we meet"

or Descarte's 'I think, therefore I exist', crap.

I suppose that when he's not thinking, he doesn't exist. :eek:
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
godnotgod said:
You're saying there is someone on this side of the conversation that is responding to your post? Where? There is no such entity. There is only consciousness responding to posts. There is no such responder of the response. You must like echoes, yes? This is like TS Elliot's:

"We shall prepare a face to meet the faces that we meet"

or Descarte's 'I think, therefore I exist', crap.

I suppose that when he's not thinking, he doesn't exist. :eek:
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Consciousness is responding to my posts....interaction.
 
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