Sabour
Well-Known Member
There are attributes of God that don't are constant.
The question is not applicable. It just struck me in surprise how atheists as such a question to prove a point.
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if God can do anything, can he lie?
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There are attributes of God that don't are constant.
The question is not applicable. It just struck me in surprise how atheists as such a question to prove a point.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
If the all-knowing God withholds no knowledge from His creation, what is the outcome?
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
Peace be on you. You are asking while quoting my words:
As Prophets are of people of highest moral.
And in the presence of verse, no lying can be attributed to Hazrat Ibrahim (on whom be peace).
Translation: [ch19:v42] And relate the story of Abraham as mentioned in the Book. He was a truthful man and a Prophet.
You said, "Was God serious with Abraham"
Which particular incidence you are referring?
In case, http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=1702®ion=E1&CR=EN,E2&CR=EN,E2
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Peace be on you. You are asking while quoting my words:
As Prophets are of people of highest moral.
And in the presence of verse, no lying can be attributed to Hazrat Ibrahim (on whom be peace).
Translation: [ch19:v42] And relate the story of Abraham as mentioned in the Book. He was a truthful man and a Prophet.
You said, "Was God serious with Abraham"
Which particular incidence you are referring?
In case, http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=1702®ion=E1&CR=EN,E2&CR=EN,E2
When God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, was God serious or was lying for a purpose ?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
1 kings 22:2
1 Samuel 16,
Does God lie?
According to the Bible it's yes.
1 Samuel 16,
Does God lie?
According to the Bible it's yes.
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
Peace be on you.
God was serious.
It was symbolic massage.
Hazrat Ibrahim (a.s.) had already fullfiled it by leaving the son and wife in wilderness. That is why it was said:
[37:106] ‘Thou hast indeed fulfilled the dream.’ Thus indeed do We reward those who do good.
Please see note 3338
Ref:http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=2230®ion=E1&CR=EN,E2
It is somewhat like اقتلوا انفسكم (lit: Kill yourself) but it means Kill your mean desires.
So Allah the Exalted was serious and Hazrat Ibrahim a.s did not lie, since he was very highly obedient, he inclined toward literal meaning which he was promptly stopped to act upon.
McBell
Unbound
So you never trust anyone or anything that can lie?
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
There is no need for someone who determined what truth is, to lie. Lies are reserved for those unable to determine what truth is, either as it is, or as they will it to be.
It's related to any number questions of which include, whether or not God can die. The answer remains the same. God cannot die. God 'retains' all knowledge and power, (past, present, future), i.e. 'being' static. That's the rule. The book of John simultaneously works to connect man to, and separate man from God for this reason. God requires His 'creation' for the things impossible in static form. In other words, God cannot do what is already done, from His perspective. The sons of Man/Adam dying, die as a result of the gradual accumulation and decimation of knowledge.
McBell
Unbound
You must have an interesting definition of the word "lie".
Being wrong is not the same as lying.
To lie, there needs be an intention of deception.
So to deceive someone is to lie to them.
Lies are not limited to spoken statements.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
While I get that the Quran wants to make everyone a good role model more or less, the bible is written with more realistic characterizations. People are flawed. It is both a strength and a flaw that the biblical heroes, even Jesus and God, have "issues."
McBell
Unbound
I disagree.
A lie is an intended deception.
To say that He can lie, does not entail that He does lie. Every human can lie, don't you trust anybody?
Ciao
- viole
McBell
Unbound
confusion
cambridge79
Active Member
Why can't people understand the simple concept that YOU CAN'T PROVE SOMEONE IS NOT A LIAR QUOTING HIS OWN WORDS?
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Reality is illusory; this is true. But, even lies require some measure of truth as a base.
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
You are entitled to confusion now, as you are- not after you've come to understand all things.
cambridge79
Active Member
we all know god ways are misterious.
how do you know bible isn't a lie and that there's a purpose behind that lie?
Maybe god truly wrote the old testament. Than sent both Jesus and Muhammad to see how many humans he could drive away from the true faith that is judaism. How can you know?
McBell
Unbound
No they don't.
McBell
Unbound
You did not ask about understanding.
You asked about knowing.