If God existed would there be proof?

[firedragon]

No evidence.

But you dont accept that "If God exists there will be proof".

P1: You dont accept if God exists there will be proof
P2: You say God is speculative because there is no proof.

Whats the conclusion?

You contradict yourself.

 

[Sheldon]

There are three options, only one is true, either we are stuck on temptation island forever, we move on and come back like were stuck in a circle, or we attain nirvana faith receives the miracle of life.

That's a false dichotomy fallacy.

 

[Sheldon]

Empirical evidence suggests that unconscious phenomena include repressed feelings, automatic skills, subliminal perceptions, and automatic reactions, and possibly also complexes, hidden phobias, and desires.
Unconscious mind - Wikipedia

We are all human beings. Perhaps you are superhuman.
Hypnosis often uncovers things about ourselves that we are
not consciously aware of.

"The notion that the unconscious mind exists at all has been disputed."

Do you even bother to read the links you provide, or just Google the result you want?

"There is no such thing as the unconscious; there are only experiences of which we are aware, and others of which we are not aware, that is, of which we are unconscious. If I hate a man because I am afraid of him, and if I am aware of my hate but not of my fear, we may say that my hate is conscious and that my fear is unconscious; still my fear does not lie in that mysterious place: 'the' unconscious."

 

[Sheldon]

So how much more absurd it is to claim, that a deity with literally limitless power and knowledge is not at all culpable for any of the results of what it created?

What do you mean by that?

Read the post, it is self explanatory?

 

[EtuMalku]

Whether a deity can be proven not to exist, depends on whether the deity is falsifiable in the first place, and some concepts of deities are falsifiable. I'd have to know which deity is being presented as such, and see it accurately defined, before I'd accept the notion it can't be proven not to exist.

The world has yet to witness a deity. Not once throughout the history of mankind has one deity been objectively experienced. But that still doesn't mean none of them do not exist.

 

[Sheldon]

If that was true, then theists are all totally mad.

Reductio ad absurdum fallacy.

Why should they believe something that is so obviously flawed?

Argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy.

What you really mean. is that you won't accept any evidence .. unless G-d strikes you down, or something.

Straw man fallacy.

Fair play you never fail to be as irrational as possible in your responses.

I wouldn't tempt fate, if I were you.

He's obviously not superstitious.

 

[Sheldon]

The world has yet to witness a deity. Not once throughout the history of mankind has one deity been objectively experienced. But that still doesn't mean none of them do not exist.

Did I say that none of them exist? All I did was ask TB which deity she was claiming can't be disproved.

 

[Trailblazer]

If they were real, everyone could agree on their description.

Even if God was real why do you think everyone would agree on the description of God?
I agree that they could agree, but whether they would agree is another matter.

 

[Trailblazer]

I was directly addressing your question, "How could anyone ever prove that God does not exist?" So again, which deity?

It does not matter which deity. How could anyone ever prove that ANY deity does not exist?

 

[EtuMalku]

Did I say that none of them exist? All I did was ask TB which deity she was claiming can't be disproved.

Ok

 

[muhammad_isa]

Neither is a hammer and a slug..

Stupid strawman.

You have faith that what you consider to be evidence, is actually correct.
Likewise, a theist has faith in what they consider to be evidence.

It is just that you would rather believe in this physical reality, and ignore spiritual reality.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..it can only be understood by each individual person according to their ability to understand what God is?

Exactly right.
It is to do with our minds.
..and it is by design. Those that turn away, for whatever reason, can no longer "see" unless something significant occurs.
eg. some kind of shock

 

[muhammad_isa]

"There is no such thing as the unconscious"

..unconscious mind .. subconscious mind .. whatever.
If our conscious mind is all that we have, then how do you explain hypnosis?
Do you think that it is just a case of remembering things that we wouldn't normally remember?

Of course, there are also hypnotic drugs that lower inhibitions.
We often say things that we normally would not.

It is clear that the mind is not straightforward.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Even if God was real why do you think everyone would agree on the description of God?
.

A very good question.
If we all agreed, it would imply that evil has somehow been eradicated.

It certainly doesn't look like that at present !

 

[blü 2]

Even if God was real why do you think everyone would agree on the description of God?
I agree that they could agree, but whether they would agree is another matter.

If the real not-imaginary God has DNA then that would simplify things. Otherwise it'd be a question of photographs, videos, personal appearances and so on.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Read the post, it is self explanatory?

..as are most of your trick questions.

According to your beliefs, if G-d is real then G-d is responsible for me being a terrorist, and it is not my fault.
..or am I not following you?

 

[muhammad_isa]

If the real not-imaginary God has DNA then that would simplify things. Otherwise it'd be a question of photographs, videos, personal appearances and so on.

Uhh .. no.
All that you mention is part of what G-d CREATED.
We wouldn't expect any of those things, as G-d is not a physical concept, and is of infinite nature.
i.e. is reflected in all of us

 

[blü 2]

Uhh .. no.
All that you mention is part of what G-d CREATED.
We wouldn't expect any of those things, as G-d is not a physical concept, and is of infinite nature.
i.e. is reflected in all of us

We can say anything we like about what God is and what God did (and what the gods are and what the gods did), and we'll never be wrong because God and gods only exist as concepts or things imagined in individual brains.

Nothing in reality will contradict us because God, like Superman, doesn't exist in reality.

 

[Honestly]

I think that God actually condemns people who seek for physical proof. Jesus said that it is an adulterous generation that seeks for a sign and that no sign would be given.

I believe that as we try to look to God and faithfully trust in the still small voice of our conscience that leads us to do good, we can see the fruits of this trust and come to see the hand of God in our lives. Then all things become a witness of God.

In order to protect us from condemnation, God purposely does not reveal truths which we are not yet able to accept and live by. Thus, those who live by faith or active trust in God. will gain spiritual knowledge while others will live in relative spiritual darkness or numbness.

 

[kjw47]

My premise is that if God existed God would have to provide the proof because there is no way we could ever get to where God exists and get the proof ourselves.

If God existed would there be proof?

I am not asking if there could be proof or if there should be proof, I am asking if there would be proof.

• If God existed would God provide proof of His existence?
• Does the fact that there is no proof of God's existence mean that God does not exist?
• In other words, could God exist and not provide proof of His existence?

Thanks, Trailblazer

Creation is proof.