If God existed would there be proof?

[CG Didymus]

Like fulfilled prophecies, like design in nature.

Just between Christianity and the Baha'i Faith, prophecies are interpreted completely different and different things are made into prophecies... like when the Spirit of Truth, the Comforter, comes... Baha'is say that is a prophecy about Baha'u'llah.

Then with nature... Christians believe in a fairly young Earth, a world-wide flood and creation. Baha'is believe in a very old Earth, no flood and in evolution.

Still we all believe in a God...................even if everyone else is wrong about many other things.

Baha'is don't believe in a Trinitarian God. They don't believe in the greatest miracle God performed in the NT, the resurrection of Jesus. So, how many things about God are definitely known? It depends on which religion and Scriptures a person believes in, and which interpretation of those Scriptures they follow.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Baha'is don't believe in a Trinitarian God. They don't believe in the greatest miracle God performed in the NT, the resurrection of Jesus. So, how many things about God are definitely known? It depends on which religion and Scriptures a person believes in, and which interpretation of those Scriptures they follow.

I don't think that anybody is saying otherwise.

That is down to mankind and their idiosyncracies.
We all have to decide the details for ourselves.
However, some details are more important than others.
eg. Oneness [tawheed]

Tawheed is important as it relates to authority.

 

[EtuMalku]

Even if we would think Moses is fictional, the story still gives the idea what it means to be faithful. But, I don't think Moses is fictional. If people would make fictional hero, he would more likely be like superman or something like that.

You don't think parting a sea isn't superhero-ish?

 

[Sheldon]

Well “proof” is something subjective that depends on personal opinion, what counts as proof for you might not count as proof for me.

But yes if God exists he is expected to provide proof for his existence, so if you are an atheist that means that ether:

1 God presented the Proof but you ignore it

2 At some point in the future God will present such proof.

Or there is no deity, Occam's razor has one of those leaping out at me.

 

[CG Didymus]

I don't think that anybody is saying otherwise.

That is down to mankind and their idiosyncracies.
We all have to decide the details for ourselves.
However, some details are more important than others.
eg. Oneness [tawheed]

Tawheed is important as it relates to authority.

Beliefs about God make such a big difference in a religion. But, if God is not a Trinity, like Islam and Baha'is believe, then what is it that those Christians have? I'm sure they feel the power and love of God and Jesus in their hearts. But, if Islam and the Baha'i Faith is right, it is a false belief.

 

[CG Didymus]

You don't think parting a sea isn't superhero-ish?

Also, Moses had a cane that could turn into a snake. But lots of superhero-ish stories. Like Samson and then Elijah called down fire from heaven then later flew off in a fiery chariot.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Beliefs about God make such a big difference in a religion. But, if God is not a Trinity, like Islam and Baha'is believe, then what is it that those Christians have? I'm sure they feel the power and love of God and Jesus in their hearts. But, if Islam and the Baha'i Faith is right, it is a false belief.

Maybe so, but Christians do not deny that G-d is One.
G-d knows who is sincere and who is not.

That is what it is really all about. Nobody is perfect. Nobody is always right.

 

[Wildswanderer]

My premise is that if God existed God would have to provide the proof because there is no way we could ever get to where God exists and get the proof ourselves.

If God existed would there be proof?

I am not asking if there could be proof or if there should be proof, I am asking if there would be proof.

• If God existed would God provide proof of His existence?
• Does the fact that there is no proof of God's existence mean that God does not exist?
• In other words, could God exist and not provide proof of His existence?

Thanks, Trailblazer

There is proof. Many just prefer not to see it.

 

[Kfox]

There is proof. Many just prefer not to see it.

If someone were able to provide empirical proof of God, that person would be world famous. The fact that nobody has done it thus far speaks volumes.

 

[Kfox]

I think it is too easy to blame God. I do it too but God and me can work it out. When a non believer blames God there usually is no working it out with God. But God can show anyone that He is not to blame if they do not believe,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but it takes a desire to vindicate God I guess.

When I said he should do better, I wasn't blaming God. It would be senseless for a person who doesn't believe in God to actually blame God. I was speaking hypothetically under the assumption that what you actually said about God were true.

 

[Kfox]

The problem isn't God, it's us. We cannot comprehend what the existence of God would entail. So we have no idea what to even look for. You say "He" as if God were human, but there is no "he". There is no human, or gender, in any way that we could recognize. You say God could "do" this or that. But we have no idea what a "God deed" might be. For all we know everything that happens might be a "God deed". How could we tell?

If God existed, the best way to prove his existence is not through "God deeds" but through communicating to us in a way that we can recognize. A voice from the clouds would be a very good start.

 

[Kfox]

Since we can't know what evidence of god's existence would look like, we wouldn't know it even if we encountered it. And as others have pointed out, no evidence means no proof. Existence, itself, may very well be the proof that God exists. But we are not able to grasp this proof because we are unable to know that existence is the result of God existing.

So the question asking if God would give us proof if God exists becomes moot. Since we couldn't identify such proof whether God gave it to us, or not.

All he would have to do is speak to us the way you and I speak to each other.

 

[ratiocinator]

There is proof. Many just prefer not to see it.

Why is it that whenever I ask what it is, all I ever get is obvious logical fallacies, totally subjective claims, or claims that are simply wrong, then?

This kind of trite claim is meaningless. I could just say, there is no proof (or even evidence) it's just that some people prefer to believe anyway and see proof or evidence where there is obviously none.

 

[PureX]

If God existed, the best way to prove his existence is not through "God deeds" but through communicating to us in a way that we can recognize. A voice from the clouds would be a very good start.

Any good magician could produce such a 'trick'. Some technologically advanced alien species might choose to present themselves to us as 'gods' in ways that we could not comprehend. We might experience some sort of collective mental aberration. The point being that feats of 'magic' are not going to be proof of God because we would have no way of verifying God as their source. There would always logically be other possibilities.

 

[Daniel Nicholson]

My premise is that if God existed God would have to provide the proof because there is no way we could ever get to where God exists and get the proof ourselves.

If God existed would there be proof?

I am not asking if there could be proof or if there should be proof, I am asking if there would be proof.

• If God existed would God provide proof of His existence?
• Does the fact that there is no proof of God's existence mean that God does not exist?
• In other words, could God exist and not provide proof of His existence?

Thanks, Trailblazer

Well that's the big question, isn't it? The only question that matters. I'll answer for everyone right now.
Theists: no proof required
Atheists: yes, proof required

 

[Trailblazer]

Well that's the big question, isn't it? The only question that matters. I'll answer for everyone right now.
Theists: no proof required
Atheists: yes, proof required

Well that's the big question, isn't it? The only question that matters.

Deists: No evidence or proof required
Theists: No evidence required
Other theists: Evidence required
Atheists: Proof required

 

[1213]

You don't think parting a sea isn't superhero-ish?

I think the story gives credit to God for that. And especially if we read the whole story and the whole Bible, I think it gives truthful image of people as weak that without God would be lost. So, if Bible makes someone hero, I think the hero is God.

 

[Wildswanderer]

If someone were able to provide empirical proof of God, that person would be world famous. The fact that nobody has done it thus far speaks volumes.

Of course they have. Science is accepted on much less proof than there is for a creator.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Why is it that whenever I ask what it is, all I ever get is obvious logical fallacies, totally subjective claims, or claims that are simply wrong, then?

Because you won't let yourself see the truth, that evidence for God is everywhere.

 

[ppp]

Any good magician could produce such a 'trick'. Some technologically advanced alien species might choose to present themselves to us as 'gods' in ways that we could not comprehend. We might experience some sort of collective mental aberration. The point being that feats of 'magic' are not going to be proof of God because we would have no way of verifying God as their source. There would always logically be other possibilities.

It's not really relevant. Whether or not a god created the universe is interesting, but not particularly valuable. What he won't let need to show is that he has good ideas and valuable thoughts.