If a voice came from the sky, every country would send their military aircraft to investigate this voice that has invaded their air space resulting in them all confirming the voice to not be a hoax. As far as it being an advanced alien, if God existed, he would be an advanced alien (alien meaning not from Earth) so that would be a correct assumption. However a voice from the sky would be much more credible than a bunch of guys claiming to speak for different Gods.
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If God existed would there be proof?
- Thread starter Trailblazer
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You've got to be jokin! But in case you are not, I challenge you to provide a scientific theory that includes a creator.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Is it evidence for the same God that the Baha'is are saying exists? Especially if yours is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost God. Theirs isn't.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
False. I've never once asked for proof, only some reasonable and objective evidence. Theists sometimes try to give logical proofs (perhaps because they realise that there is no evidence) but they invariably (in my experience) turn out to be flawed.
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ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Baseless assertion. Look, just asserting that people are don't want to see something, is just highlighting your inability, or unwillingness, to supply any objective reason to accept that your god exists. Again, I could just respond that you are just so desperate believe that you have fooled yourself into thinking evidence is everywhere, and we could do on like that ad infinitum.
So how about giving even a single, solitary example of real objective evidence? If it's everywhere, this should be trivially easy for you.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
It is the same G-d. He is the Creator of the universe. Christians and Bahai's agree on that. They both claim that G-d is One.
It is the details of G-d's nature that differ, and that is not what @Wildswanderer refers to when he claims that "evidence for God is everywhere".
PureX
Veteran Member
What anyone considers credible is irrelevant. The point remains that we have no way of knowing that any phenomenon, regardless of how "miraculous" it seems to us, is the result of "God".
PureX
Veteran Member
You are overlooking the value of our NOT KNOWING. As it is our ignorance that gives us freedom, and free will, and the ability to choose our own truth, and our own path. And thereby to create and express our own individual natures. Humans always want to know everything because knowledge is power, and control. But we overlook the fact that knowledge is also a kind of enslavement. If we humans were omniscient, we'd have no freedom of choice at all. Everything would be determined right or wrong in advance of it's ever being considered, or doing.
ppp
Well-Known Member
I'm not overlooking that. There is simply no reason to believe that any of that is true.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Of course we can't choose our own truth (at least not about things existing outside of our minds). That's as comical as "alternative facts". Either something is true or it isn't, whether we know it or not. I mean, if you don't mind living in a personal fantasy world, you can just make things up about unknowns, but why not just live with the fact that there are some things that are unknown, and stick to what is known (or at least things for which we have some reasonable basis for thinking there is good probability are true)?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So you are in effect doing ontological idealism in a platonic sense. Okay.
MyM
Well-Known Member
My premise is that if God existed God would have to provide the proof because there is no way we could ever get to where God exists and get the proof ourselves.
If God existed would there be proof?
I am not asking if there could be proof or if there should be proof, I am asking if there would be proof.
Thanks, Trailblazer
- If God existed would God provide proof of His existence?
- Does the fact that there is no proof of God's existence mean that God does not exist?
- In other words, could God exist and not provide proof of His existence?
- Yes
- Will not acknowledge that there is no proof, so therefore will not answer
- God has the power over all.
Don't really care to debate was just answering the questions lol
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Sarcasm doesn't help.
There is more to life than arguing about the definition of "proof".
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Neither do trite assertions. Sorry, but it's really boring when people just make assertions about there being proof of god. If there was actually any totally and obviously sound proof, it would be world news.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, but that is not limited to God. That is in general terms the positive project in philosophy: Find for all cases of the everyday life with rational, abstract, and methodical consideration the positive, correct answer.
We have been doing that one for over 2500+ years now and we still haven't been able to do it. At least to me, it means that there might be limits to those terms. And that goes for science, philosophy and religion as such. And yes, faith, feelings, values and all that also have limits.
MyM
Well-Known Member
lol my proof is my proof you cannot change it and within my proof, my creator said no matter how hard you try, they will never believe....so far that is proven correct lol
but anyhow,
God is more superior to you and mankind.
You stated that fact there is no God, but that statement/question itself is a wrong question since you stressed there is no God by fact.
God does exist and He has shown it although you will not believe it-not my problem...but He has the right to do what He wants without your approval.
What can be objectively proven is irrelevant; I'm talking about what would cause people to believe. More people would believe a voice coming from the sky claiming to be God than some guy standing on a street corner claiming to speak for God; like you have now.
PureX
Veteran Member
So what? Why is 'more people believing' even relevant? If belief without knowledge were the relevant criteria, anyone can believe anything they want to, now. If knowledge is the important criteria, we can't have it. Plain and simple. So what we're talking about is faith, because that's all that's left to us, if we're being honest with ourselves about it. And faith is a whole different discussion with a whole other set of values and criteria.
MyM
Well-Known Member
وَلَوۡ اَنَّـنَا نَزَّلۡنَاۤ اِلَيۡهِمُ الۡمَلٰٓـئِكَةَ وَكَلَّمَهُمُ الۡمَوۡتٰى وَ حَشَرۡنَا عَلَيۡهِمۡ كُلَّ شَىۡءٍ قُبُلًا مَّا كَانُوۡا لِيُؤۡمِنُوۡۤا اِلَّاۤ اَنۡ يَّشَآءَ اللّٰهُ وَلٰـكِنَّ اَكۡثَرَهُمۡ يَجۡهَلُوۡنَ
(6:111) Even if We had sent angels down to them and the dead had spoken to them, and even if We had assembled before them all the things, face to face, they would still not believe unless it be Allah's will that they believe. Most of them behave in utter ignorance.