Buttercup
Veteran Member
Yes, the creature has free will.
I didn't make him from scratch.If your son comits murder are you responsible? You made him from scratch, he has free will.
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If God is all-knowing...
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lunamoth
Will to love
So, if the creature has a choice whether to kill or not, how is it the creator's responsibility if he chooses to kill?
I didn't make him from scratch.
What do you mean by 'from scratch?' Guess I just did not understand the implication. Can you elaborate?
Buttercup
Veteran Member
Do you believe God fashioned man out of thin air? Guess we need to establish that first.
lunamoth
Will to love
Do you believe God fashioned man out of thin air? Guess we need to establish that first.
I accept the theory of evolution. I believe God is the Creator of everything.
Buttercup
Veteran Member
Hmmm. You know what? I wish you lived closer so we could have this discussion over a cup of tea, coffee or heck, why not a glass of wine?
It could take awhile. Anyway, if you believe God fashioned man (or knew man would evolve into what he is) then he made him from scratch. Unfortunately, I do not have such powers.
So, to my thinking, even if free will is added to the recipe, the fact that the blueprint of man included the capacity to kill, that makes God partly responsible.
lunamoth
Will to love
Hmmm. You know what? I wish you lived closer so we could have this discussion over a cup of tea, coffee or heck, why not a glass of wine?
Anyway, if you believe God fashioned man (or knew man would evolve into what he is) then he made him from scratch. Unfortunately, I do not have such powers.
So, to my thinking, even if free will is added to the recipe, the fact that the blueprint of man included the capacity to kill, that makes God partly responsible.
God did not create humans to kill and harm and hate. God created the world and it was good. I do not know how evil entered the world; I know of no Christian (or Jewish or Baha'i) explanation for it outside of what you can read in Genesis. I think that is why for this, as for so many other things, we say that we see through the glass darkly, that we only know in part.
God is Love. Everything else goes from there.
lunamoth
Will to love
Hmmm. You know what? I wish you lived closer so we could have this discussion over a cup of tea, coffee or heck, why not a glass of wine?
BTW, would love to have a cup of tea (or coffee in the am) with you.
A thought about this. I think God is not done with us, and God knows what we will become because we are becoming like Christ. Why did God choose to create us in this way, that seems inefficient and fraught with peril and suffering? I don't know, but it is interesting that the process itself, like our will, has freedom.
tomspug
Absorbant
God existed before the creation of the universe.
Therefore God is not bound by the same rules as we are, like time, since he in essence created them.
But God is obviously able to interact with his creation in the same way that a three-dimensional object can still interact with a two-dimensional plane.
Now you do!
A good example of that occurs on Star Trek when "Q" creates a situation, including life-forms with free will, and is held accountable for his actions.
Note he is technically held accountable for his actions, not theirs. As he is an entity in existence, he can be held accountable. Does "God" qualify as an entity in existence?
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Buttercup
Veteran Member
In my mind, the free will aspect is almost a moot point if the creator purposefully created his creature with the capacity to kill. If an all powerful creator has the ability to set the wheels in motion for the beginnings of the entire universe, he most certainly has the skills to fashion a peace loving human or one with purple ears and a panda nose for that matter.
He qualifies to those who believe.