If God is our Father

[Redemptionsong]

Mark 10:17-19 Good News Translation (GNT)
As Jesus was starting on his way again, a man ran up, knelt before him, and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to receive eternal life?”

“Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit murder; do not commit adultery; do not steal; do not accuse anyone falsely; do not cheat; respect your father and your mother.’”

The Lord Jesus Christ is correct in saying that “No one is good except God alone."
It does not imply that he is bad.
God is good all the time from the creation of the universe to the present day
Jesus never sinned from the time he is born to the present day

The only God has no beginning while Jesus had a beginning
The only God is immortal and cannot die while Jesus died
The only God cannot be seen while Jesus was seen when he walked the earth

1 Timothy 1:17 New International Version (NIV)
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

That is the teaching of the apostles of Jesus Christ about the only God
Jesus was born, he was killed, and he was seen - therefore Jesus is not God

It has nothing to do with the length of time the goodness lasted. Jesus never did anything sinful. He is perfectly good. Only God is perfectly good.

The difference between Jesus and other men is that Jesus NEVER sinned. We ALL sin, and it is only God's mercy that saves us!

 

[MJFlores]

This has nothing to do with the length of time the goodness lasted. Jesus never did anything sinful. He is perfectly good. Only God is perfectly good.

The difference between Jesus and other men is that Jesus NEVER sinned. We ALL sin, and it is only God's mercy that saves us!

No bible verse whatsoever?

Jesus is human
God is not human
Hence Jesus is not God

Numbers 23:19 New International Version (NIV)
God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?

The nature of Jesus Christ is a human being NOT God
However Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior because GOD MADE HIM Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ can walk on water, heal the sick, make the blind see because GOD MADE HIM do those miracles

God cannot change from one form to another that is what God said and what the Bible teaches
Jesus is the Son NOT the Father, God is the Father


Malachi 3:6 New International Version (NIV)
“I the Lord do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.

James 1:17 New International Version (NIV)
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.

 

[Redemptionsong]

No bible verse whatsoever?

Jesus is human
God is not human
Hence Jesus is not God

Numbers 23:19 New International Version (NIV)
God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?

The nature of Jesus Christ is a human being NOT God
However Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior because GOD MADE HIM Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ can walk on water, heal the sick, make the blind see because GOD MADE HIM do those miracles

God cannot change from one form to another that is what God said and what the Bible teaches
Jesus is the Son NOT the Father, God is the Father


Malachi 3:6 New International Version (NIV)
“I the Lord do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.

James 1:17 New International Version (NIV)
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.

How about;

The true mediator between man and God will be fully human and fully God
Jesus Christ was fully human and fully God
Therefore, Jesus Christ is the true mediator between man and God

Jesus Christ holds a unique position. His corruptible human qualities were only borne for a short time.

 

[moorea944]

How about;

The true mediator between man and God will be fully human and fully God
Jesus Christ was fully human and fully God
Therefore, Jesus Christ is the true mediator between man and God

Jesus Christ holds a unique position. His corruptible human qualities were only borne for a short time.

Jesus Christ was fully human and fully God at the same time? How's that since there is no verse stating that one. Is someone telling you that at your church? I hope not........ Sounds like something out of a Greek Mythology movie on how Greek gods came down to earth and changed into a man and tried to save mankind and fought the battle of good and evil, and.... well, i think we've all seen movies like that.

But anyhow, how do you get Jesus having two natures? Not understanding where that's coming from. I know it's not from scripture......

 

[Redemptionsong]

Jesus Christ was fully human and fully God at the same time? How's that since there is no verse stating that one. Is someone telling you that at your church? I hope not........ Sounds like something out of a Greek Mythology movie on how Greek gods came down to earth and changed into a man and tried to save mankind and fought the battle of good and evil, and.... well, i think we've all seen movies like that.

But anyhow, how do you get Jesus having two natures? Not understanding where that's coming from. I know it's not from scripture......

Well, it is from scripture! It's the understanding that comes from pooling all the scriptures, Old Testament and New.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Well, it is from scripture! It's the understanding that comes from pooling all the scriptures, Old Testament and New.

Do you believe all the scriptures?

If you do, then look at these together.
Ezekiel 37:24. 'And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.' [See also Ezek. 34:23]

Ezekiel lived after King David, so this is a reference to the Messiah.

John 10:14. Jesus said, 'I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.'

Psalm 23:1. 'The LORD [YHWH] is my shepherd; I shall not want.'

This is a real problem for those that don't accept that Jesus was both fully human and fully God. God states that there will be ONE shepherd over the flock. Is that going to be a man, David my servant, or is it going to be God [YHWH]?

You tell me.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Do you believe all the scriptures?

If you do, then look at these together.
Ezekiel 37:24. 'And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.' [See also Ezek. 34:23]

Ezekiel lived after King David, so this is a reference to the Messiah.

John 10:14. Jesus said, 'I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.'

Psalm 23:1. 'The LORD [YHWH] is my shepherd; I shall not want.'

This is a real problem for those that don't accept that Jesus was both fully human and fully God. God states that there will be ONE shepherd over the flock. Is that going to be a man, David my servant, or is it going to be God [YHWH]?

You tell me.

One other thing comes to mind. For unitarians, the position is that only the Father is the true God. This reduces Jesus Christ to a man and not a Saviour. For many Catholics, the same issue of not dividing the nature of Jesus leads to the conclusion that Jesus Christ is only God. Hence, they reach the conclusion that Mary is the Mother of God!

As strange as it may sound, to believe that Jesus Christ is the one and only mediator between God and men is the true belief, IMO.

 

[MJFlores]

The true mediator between man and God will be fully human and fully God
Jesus Christ was fully human and fully God
Therefore, Jesus Christ is the true mediator between man and God

The Bible clearly says the state of nature of the Lord Jesus Christ

1 Timothy 2:5 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
There is one God. There is also one mediator between God and humans—a human, Christ Jesus.

Well, it is from scripture! It's the understanding that comes from pooling all the scriptures, Old Testament and New.

Does God permit man to be God?

Ezekiel 28:2 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
“Son of man, tell the ruler of Tyre, ‘This is what the Almighty Lord says:

In your arrogance you say,
“I’m a god. I sit on God’s throne in the sea.”
But you’re only human and not a god,
although you think you are a god.


Or maybe would God want to be human?

Hosea 11:9 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
I will not act on my burning anger.
I will not destroy Ephraim again.
I am God, not a human.
I am the Holy One among you,
and I will not come to you in anger.

One other thing comes to mind. For unitarians, the position is that only the Father is the true God. This reduces Jesus Christ to a man and not a Saviour. For many Catholics, the same issue of not dividing the nature of Jesus leads to the conclusion that Jesus Christ is only God. Hence, they reach the conclusion that Mary is the Mother of God!

The Bible clearly says Jesus is human
The Bible clearly says that God does not permit a human to be God
The Bible clearly says God does not like to be human and will never change

So who are saying these things that Jesus is God [indirectly saying Jesus lied] and God can become human [indirectly saying God lied]

2 John 7 The Message (MSG)
There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist!

Why are these deceivers / antichrists were described as smooth-talking charlatans?
Because they like to interpret, twist the bible message, add and deduct the words of God in the Bible.

Proverbs 30:6 New International Version (NIV)
Do not add to his words,
or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

 

[Iymus]

Ezekiel 28:2 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
“Son of man, tell the ruler of Tyre, ‘This is what the Almighty Lord says:

In your arrogance you say,
“I’m a god. I sit on God’s throne in the sea.”
But you’re only human and not a god,
although you think you are a god.

Hosea 11:9 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
I will not act on my burning anger.
I will not destroy Ephraim again.
I am God, not a human.

hopefully i remember those. You inspired me to do a keyword search so i can find all the references of God saying he is not man. Interesting insight in Eze 28:2 also

Hos 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

 

[moorea944]

One other thing comes to mind. For unitarians, the position is that only the Father is the true God. This reduces Jesus Christ to a man and not a Saviour. For many Catholics, the same issue of not dividing the nature of Jesus leads to the conclusion that Jesus Christ is only God. Hence, they reach the conclusion that Mary is the Mother of God!

As strange as it may sound, to believe that Jesus Christ is the one and only mediator between God and men is the true belief, IMO.

[This reduces Jesus Christ to a man and not a Saviour.]

But doesnt scripture tell us that Jesus was a man and our savour? It also tells us that God Jesus all power and authority. Did you want to believe another story? And if so, why?

 

[Muffled]

The latter. For example, Jews refer to themselves as "sons of God".

In the 1st century Church, there was the consensus that Jesus was of God, but going by such discussions in the early 2nd century it appears that there was no consensus on the specifics. It pretty much remained that way until the latter half of the 3rd century and the beginning of the 4th century when different "heretical" groups claimed that they had the right formula and the right books. Thus, the Church was forced to try and reach a consensus both on Jesus' and the Holy Spirit"s relationship to God, but also which books should be in the canon.

Both of these decisions were highly contentious, to say the least, but eventually out of this came the Nicene Creed and the Bible that most Christians still use today. Were these both the right choices or the best choices? That's still conjectural as we see here discussed frequently at RF. My opinion is I don't know.

I believe that isn't quite the same. God is father of us all in the sense that He created us but we would not usually refer to God as "my Father" as Jesus does.

 

[Muffled]

1. Since Jesus is Lord God, Did Lord God give specifically unto himself the throne of his earthly father David? Can him be replaced with himself in Luk 1:32?

Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

2. If someone says that someone else is greater than them, does that mean that someone is lesser than that someone else?

3. If question one and question two are all valid yes, then do you mean to tell me that Jesus as Lord God himself is lesser than the Heavenly Father?
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4. There are many lords in the bible with our God being the greatest of all who is Possessor / Lord of Heaven and Earth.

5. I ask again with more specifics; Is Jesus Lord God, or is the God and Father of our lesser lord Lord God, since God The Father is greater?

1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

6. Have certain men crept in and are trying to use a lesser lord to deny the greater lord "only Lord God" even though our lord declared not himself and gave commandments not of himself?

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

I believe that is correct.

I believe You are incorrect. God never had the throne until He gave it to Jesus.

I believe you are incorrect. There are not two someones. God is one. The fact is that God outside of Jesus is greater by dint of the fact that He is everywhere and that God in Jesus is just in one place.

I believe the Lordship is equal. Try to remember Jesus did not say the Father was greater in all ways. He would not have to for the statement to be true.

 

[Muffled]

ooops…...did you say....???

God did not create light

I believe He did and was definitely confused. No doubt the "let there be light" is a creation of it. I believe he is misunderstanding that Jesus is using a metaphor when He says:
John 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

So what is light a metaphor for? I believe it is a metaphor for that which informs as in: "this sheds light on the subject." In the opposite the darkness is ignorance, whence we call it the dark ages when ignorance prevailed in the world.

 

[Redemptionsong]

[This reduces Jesus Christ to a man and not a Saviour.]

But doesnt scripture tell us that Jesus was a man and our savour? It also tells us that God Jesus all power and authority. Did you want to believe another story? And if so, why?

Jesus was a man, but it was not the man that saved us! It was God. It was God in Jesus Christ that saved us. Jesus allowed himself to be the sacrifice.

Yes, God did give the resurrected Jesus Christ all power and authority, but it was the risen, incorruptible, Jesus Christ who assumed the throne. A man of corruption (flesh and blood) did not become the Lord of Lords. God is Spirit, and this means that the risen Christ must also have been Spirit!

 

[metis]

I believe that isn't quite the same. God is father of us all in the sense that He created us but we would not usually refer to God as "my Father" as Jesus does.

The traditional view within Judaism, which shows up in the Tanakh, is that we are "sons (and daughters-- implied, imo) of God". That is not a messianic reference, but "son of man" is. I see no reason to assume that we as Christians aren't.

 

[Iymus]

1. Since Jesus is Lord God, Did Lord God give specifically unto himself the throne of his earthly father David? Can him be replaced with himself in Luk 1:32?

Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

I believe that is correct.

I believe You are incorrect. God never had the throne until He gave it to Jesus.

God never had Kingdom of God until he gave it to Jesus?

2. If someone says that someone else is greater than them, does that mean that someone is lesser than that someone else?

I believe you are incorrect. There are not two someones. God is one. The fact is that God outside of Jesus is greater by dint of the fact that He is everywhere and that God in Jesus is just in one place.

Joh 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Joh 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Joh 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
Joh 16:31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?

4. There are many lords in the bible with our God being the greatest of all who is Possessor / Lord of Heaven and Earth.

I believe the Lordship is equal. Try to remember Jesus did not say the Father was greater in all ways. He would not have to for the statement to be true.

1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Hos 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Who is the Holy One, and where are we to find Him? He is in our midst? Where exactly?

I ask these questions, believing I know the answer. Do you know the answer?

 

[Iymus]

Who is the Holy One,

Are you referring to the Holy One; or are you referring to the Holy One of God that is his only begotten Son and possession?

 

[74x12]

1. If God is our Father in Heaven, would we call God fully Man and God?

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1a.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

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1b.
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

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1c.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

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1d.
Psa 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

Philippians 2:5-11
Isaiah 9:6

 

[Iymus]

Philippians 2:5-11
Isaiah 9:6

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.