If God probably don't exist!

[Farrukh]

Because some people don't just bow down and agree with you?

Yeah, I agree. This forum is probably useless for anyone who wants to create a cult and a following. But if you want to be questioned, this is a great place.

off topic, but I will write it before leaving,
God informed us that He created us. while those who don't believe in God don't know how they were created. even if they believe in evolution, still there is no answer for how life started, who created genetic codes, who put 3 billion base pairs in our DNA. How do we know the supernatural does not exist? I can go on and on, and I know you will never be able to answer these questions.
One of my students once got Jinn, he was in miserable condition, they took him to some religious scholar, doctors can't do anything with such type of cases, non-believers can just label him as 'possessed', but how they are cured within few minutes when they are taken to religious people?

and few months back, I met with a man who was learning black magic. he was doing dirtiest things to please devil,
I asked in some other post, how you see black magic, and someone said "it is just something in mind, but I never practice it."
what is that thing in mind? in which part of brain it exists? how it can harm others? is there any scientific proof for that 'thing in mind'?

answer please

 

[Breathe]

reason is explained in Quran, The Holy Qur’an says: “If there were, in the heavens And the earth, other gods Besides Allah, there would Have been confusion in both! But glory to Allah, The Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above What they attribute to Him!” [Holy Qur’an 21:22]

I don't see how it is necessarily the case that this would necessarily be the case, and I only believe in one God.

 

[LuisDantas]

off topic, but I will write it before leaving,
God informed us that He created us. while those who don't believe in God don't know how they were created. even if they believe in evolution, still there is no answer for how life started, who created genetic codes, who put 3 billion base pairs in our DNA.

God never spoke with me, so I will have to take your word about that.

As for the origin of life, not knowing it for certain is no big deal. For the longest time we did not know a lot of things.

Even so, there is encouraging advance in the research of that area. But even if we never find out the origin of life... so what?

How do we know the supernatural does not exist?

I don't, obviously. Nor do I see a reason to assume that it does, or to feel much anxious to know for sure.

I can go on and on, and I know you will never be able to answer these questions.

Even taking for granted that we can't, why is that at all important?

People can legitimally just not mind not knowing, you know.

It is not a grave matter such as, say, not knowing how to provide for one's family would be.

No need to lose sleep over that.

One of my students once got Jinn, he was in miserable condition, they took him to some religious scholar, doctors can't do anything with such type of cases, non-believers can just label him as 'possessed',

I believe you meant to use some other word instead of "possessed", didn't you? It takes belief in some sort of supernatural entity to believe in possession.

but how they are cured within few minutes when they are taken to religious people?

Are you asking whether there is a secular answer to that question?

As it turns out, yes there is. Psychopathology has studied suggestion for some time now.

 

[Ouroboros]

off topic, but I will write it before leaving,
God informed us that He created us.

Sure. In Nature we can see that Nature created us.

while those who don't believe in God don't know how they were created.

I believe Nature and the whole reality we live in is God. So in a sense, God/Nature did create us. I believe in that God.

even if they believe in evolution, still there is no answer for how life started, who created genetic codes, who put 3 billion base pairs in our DNA.

We do know how the 3 billion base pairs in the DNA can come about since we have life forms with a lot less base pairs.

But it's true that we don't know yet exactly how the first prokaryotes came about, even though there's been quite a bit of research showing different ways how it could have happened. We have found aminoacids in space, which shows that the basic components for life exists outside of Earth.

How do we know the supernatural does not exist? I can go on and on, and I know you will never be able to answer these questions.

The supernatural is by definition something we can't answer or define, therefore defining the supernatural by only following a restricted belief based on one ancient book isn't a good choice.

One of my students once got Jinn, he was in miserable condition, they took him to some religious scholar, doctors can't do anything with such type of cases, non-believers can just label him as 'possessed', but how they are cured within few minutes when they are taken to religious people?

Sure.

And then you have diseases that can't be healed by religious people but can be fixed by doctors through medicine and science.

and few months back, I met with a man who was learning black magic. he was doing dirtiest things to please devil,
I asked in some other post, how you see black magic, and someone said "it is just something in mind, but I never practice it."
what is that thing in mind? in which part of brain it exists? how it can harm others? is there any scientific proof for that 'thing in mind'?

And that somehow shows that your particular belief and religion must be the only true one?

You know, there are more kinds of beliefs and religions than just yours.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

That makes no sense. :sorry1:

Sorry, I tend to not make sense sometimes.

If X didn't happen, X was impossible.

If it was a beautiful day out an hour ago, and there was nothing on your schedule at the time, there was very little traffic out, a perfect day to go bike riding, but you chose not to, then it was impossible to go bike riding in the first place as you did not will it.

 

[Straw Dog]

I was watching The Deen Show yesterday when a Religious scholar said, if Atheist are correct and there is probably no God in existence, then as Atheist die, we will die. there is no problem for us.
But if we are correct, then they are doomed.
In both cases, we are on safe side
and i think he was making sense.

Even if he is correct, I cannot really help that I am unconvinced. It's a matter of maintaining intellectual honesty first and foremost followed by speculative belief-forming. If I am doomed, then I cannot really help it. This is what I have chosen based upon what I have rationally perceived and I accept the responsibility for the consequences gladly.

 

[Nymphs]

I was watching The Deen Show yesterday when a Religious scholar said, if Atheist are correct and there is probably no God in existence, then as Atheist die, we will die. there is no problem for us.
But if we are correct, then they are doomed.
In both cases, we are on safe side
and i think he was making sense.

So you why don't you join every religion just to be on the "safe side" ?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So you why don't you join every religion just to be on the "safe side" ?

Here's a workable approach:

Dinosaur Comics - I'm not putting another god before you! I'm putting you and all the other gods in a line, EQUALLY.

As the alt-text says, Pascal just wasn't thinking big enough.

 

[Falvlun]

Here's a workable approach:

Dinosaur Comics - I'm not putting another god before you! I'm putting you and all the other gods in a line, EQUALLY.

As the alt-text says, Pascal just wasn't thinking big enough.

I love Dinosaur Comics. I think that you're actually the one who introduced them to me because of your sig.

 

[9Westy9]

there is only one God, multiple gods can't exist.

but there are multiple possibilities for what god can be. He doesn't have to be the god of Islam or Christianity.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

when I pray, I say, "oh my Creator"
if that creator is also creator of Jesus, i'm safe, and if that creator is Jesus himself, I'm still safe.

Lot of ifs there.

Are you willing to take the risk that the creator you mean is not the creator of jesus or jesus himself?

You should probably switch to christianity just in case.

 

[Skwim]

This is easy.

And it's easy because all that it takes is to not tell other people what they believe or what they say. This disagreement ceases to exist the second you stop doing that.

Sorry that you took my "say" literally. My bad for not using a word like "believe," "conclude," or "regard."

Anything added on to that is baggage that isn't in the word itself. If people want to start applying levels of certainty to their own personal atheism, if they want to phrase it certain ways like, "there is no god" or "there probably is no god", then that's their right because it's entirely within the very elegant scope of the very broad lack of theism.

Yup. People can define and redefine words however they want and for whatever purpose they choose. But until that redefinition has gained a recognized acceptance in dictionaries I'm not apt to acknowledge it. You contend that the definition Dawkins uses is now acceptable. Perhaps in some circles it is, but from where I sit it is not. Not having any resources for redefinitions except current dictionaries I will wait for them to include Dawkin's definition before giving it any legitimacy.

 

[Penumbra]

Sorry that you took my "say" literally. My bad for not using a word like "believe," "conclude," or "regard."

Yup. People can define and redefine words however they want and for whatever purpose they choose. But until that redefinition has gained a recognized acceptance in dictionaries I'm not apt to acknowledge it. You contend that the definition Dawkins uses is now acceptable. Perhaps in some circles it is, but from where I sit it is not. Not having any resources for redefinitions except current dictionaries I will wait for them to include Dawkin's definition before giving it any legitimacy.

It's not Dawkin's definition. It's the earliest Greek definition from where the word came from and the English version is the same semantically. The cancelling prefix before the word, indicating the lack, the cancellation, the not. That's it. Broad. The dictionary used it in a broad way, too. You're the one adding things to it.

Or, you know, just keep telling other people what they believe.

 

[Tiberius]

Scholars say there are three reasons for believers to avoid bad or adopt good.
1. fear of hell fire
2. love of paradise
3. love of God
and 3rd category will be highest in ranking.

I'm quite disturbed at the lack of the fourth option. The option that motivates me to avoid bad and adopt good.

4. Because it makes the world a better place for everyone.

Why do believers apparently need theistically based reasons to be nice?

 

[Tiberius]

when I pray, I say, "oh my Creator"
if that creator is also creator of Jesus, i'm safe, and if that creator is Jesus himself, I'm still safe.

So you keep your words intentionally vague to avoid ticking off a potential god? You really think that God is going to let you off on this kind of technicality? What if you die and it turns out that Zeus is the correct god? You think he's going to let you off?

 

[Tiberius]

I haven't found anything bad with teachings of our religion. people may be doing wrong, no one is perfect. I prefer to study religion and not sunni or shia.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Doesn't this verse call for Muslims to kill people who do not believe? Isn't it saying, "Kill unbelievers wherever you find them, and kick them out of places that they have kicked you out from. Because their disbelief is worse than you killing them. But if they stop disbelieving, then Allah will be merciful. Fight the disbelievers until there are no more disbelievers and all those who believe only ever believe in Allah. But if they stop being disbelievers, stop fighting them, except for those that also believe in other gods and those who do wrong things."

Isn't it wrong to kill people just because they have different beliefs to you?

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Doesn't this verse encourage people to die in the name of Islam?

 

[Breathe]

So you keep your words intentionally vague to avoid ticking off a potential god? You really think that God is going to let you off on this kind of technicality? What if you die and it turns out that Zeus is the correct god? You think he's going to let you off?

I find positions like that to be pretty, well, insulting to a person's God-concept. "I won't go to Hell because I'm vague, so I can pull the wool over God's eyes and get into Heaven even if I'm completely wrong, since I didn't use a specific term"?
I'm so glad I don't believe in Hell. It seems like a hassle to work around.

 

[Farrukh]

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"


Doesn't this verse encourage people to die in the name of Islam?

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."

Noble Verses 8:38-39 and 2:190-191 came for special purposes and for limited times only !. The Muslims in the city of Medina used to face continuous wars from the Pagans and the Jews and Christians. The Muslims had absolutely no choice !.

Despite all the hard conditions that the Muslims faced, Allah Almighty still ordered them "...not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors."

It is easy for an anti-Islamic to come today and to twist the truth about the Noble Quran and to show Islam as a religion of transgressing, compulsion and battles, when in reality Islam is quite the opposite of that !.

 

[Tiberius]

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."

Noble Verses 8:38-39 and 2:190-191 came for special purposes and for limited times only !. The Muslims in the city of Medina used to face continuous wars from the Pagans and the Jews and Christians. The Muslims had absolutely no choice !.

Despite all the hard conditions that the Muslims faced, Allah Almighty still ordered them "...not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors."

It is easy for an anti-Islamic to come today and to twist the truth about the Noble Quran and to show Islam as a religion of transgressing, compulsion and battles, when in reality Islam is quite the opposite of that !.

Perhaps you could show me the verses which show that the verses I originally posted were only meant to be in effect for a limited time?

And anyway, why even bother with having humans do the dirty work? Couldn't Allah punish these people himself? Or just wait until they die and send them to hell for all eternity?

Why does religion always seem to insist on punishment in the physical world for transgressions of a spiritual nature? Perhaps because the whole thing was invented by people as an excuse to kill the people they didn't like?

 

[Farrukh]

Perhaps you could show me the verses which show that the verses I originally posted were only meant to be in effect for a limited time?

And anyway, why even bother with having humans do the dirty work? Couldn't Allah punish these people himself? Or just wait until they die and send them to hell for all eternity?

Why does religion always seem to insist on punishment in the physical world for transgressions of a spiritual nature? Perhaps because the whole thing was invented by people as an excuse to kill the people they didn't like?

Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.