If God probably don't exist!

[9Westy9]

I was watching The Deen Show yesterday when a Religious scholar said, if Atheist are correct and there is probably no God in existence, then as Atheist die, we will die. there is no problem for us.
But if we are correct, then they are doomed.
In both cases, we are on safe side
and i think he was making sense.

This is a false dichotomy. It completely ignores other possible gods i.e. a god who prefers people who don't believe in a god and "saves" them and not all the people who do believe in a god

 

[Farrukh]

This is a false dichotomy. It completely ignores other possible gods i.e. a god who prefers people who don't believe in a god and "saves" them and not all the people who do believe in a god

there is only one God, multiple gods can't exist.

 

[Farrukh]

You are so right. People don't kill each other because of religion. They murder each other because of religion. I agree with you, there's an important difference.

As I said before, killing is bad, and there is no killing in religion, if you want to know, you should study religion
below is a saying of Prophet (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) for reference
You will not enter Paradise until you have faith and you will not have faith until you love one another. Do you want me to tell you something you can do to make you love one another? Make it a habit to greet one another with “Assalamu Alaykum!” - peace upon you.

 

[Debater Slayer]

As I said before, killing is bad, and there is no killing in religion, if you want to know, you should study religion

What is the penalty for engaging in homosexual acts according to your beliefs?

 

[Farrukh]

What is the penalty for engaging in homosexual acts according to your beliefs?

stop playing, when gays get AIDS and die, we have no problem. but when God has forbidden something for us for our benefit, we get problem.

 

[Debater Slayer]

stop playing, when gays get AIDS and die, we have no problem. but when God has forbidden something for us for our benefit, we get problem.

I'm not playing; I'm completely serious: you said there was no killing in religion. I want to know what the penalty for homosexual acts is according to what you believe.

If you are confident of your statement about there not being any killing in religion, then why are you avoiding the question?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

stop playing, when gays get AIDS and die, we have no problem. but when God has forbidden something for us for our benefit, we get problem.

The vast majority of people with HIV/AIDS are heterosexual black Africans. So don't you dare use that as a tool to bash gays with.

 

[StarryNightshade]

there is only one God, multiple gods can't exist.

Why not?

 

[zenzero]

Friend Farrukh,

If God probably don't exist!
I was watching The Deen Show yesterday when a Religious scholar said, if Atheist are correct and there is probably no God in existence, then as Atheist die, we will die. there is no problem for us.
But if we are correct, then they are doomed.
In both cases, we are on safe side
and i think he was making sense.

Sorry find no logic as to why an atheist is doomed and believers are not? You mean there is heaven and hell and believers go to heaven and atheists to hell??

Personally am yet to meet any 'god' or visit places like heaven and hell.
Have seen people suffer here on earth due to their own 'karma' and not due to any 'belief' system.

Love & rgds

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I was watching The Deen Show yesterday when a Religious scholar said, if Atheist are correct and there is probably no God in existence, then as Atheist die, we will die. there is no problem for us.
But if we are correct, then they are doomed.
In both cases, we are on safe side
and i think he was making sense.

If you devote your life to God but there is no God, then you'll have wasted everything you have and everything you could ever be. Personally, I would call this a problem.

 

[Breathe]

there is only one God, multiple gods can't exist.

I don't understand the reasoning. Why?

 

[Farrukh]

I don't understand the reasoning. Why?

reason is explained in Quran, The Holy Qur’an says: “If there were, in the heavens And the earth, other gods Besides Allah, there would Have been confusion in both! But glory to Allah, The Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above What they attribute to Him!” [Holy Qur’an 21:22]

 

[Ouroboros]

I was watching The Deen Show yesterday when a Religious scholar said, if Atheist are correct and there is probably no God in existence, then as Atheist die, we will die. there is no problem for us.
But if we are correct, then they are doomed.
In both cases, we are on safe side
and i think he was making sense.

"We", as in all non-atheists? Are you saying that anyone who believes in a God of any kind is safe when they die? I didn't know Islam was that inclusive. I thought it was more exclusive like the other religions. That you had to be a Muslim to go to Heaven.

So if God only lets Mormons into Heaven and not Muslims. Are you safe then?

 

[Ouroboros]

not just the punishment, there is everlasting paradise for good people.

Atheists are good people. I'm kind'a one. I was more hardcore atheist a short while back, but now I'm a Naturalistic Panenethist... which really is a fancy word for atheist.

And I'm a good person. I do good things to people in need. I help, love, care, protect my family. Even care for my neighbors if they're in need. I don't swear (much). I drink beer... that's that make me bad?

So how about it. Good atheists do they go to Heaven too, or is it only good people of your specific religious belief that will go to Heaven?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

reason is explained in Quran, The Holy Qur’an says: “If there were, in the heavens And the earth, other gods Besides Allah, there would Have been confusion in both! But glory to Allah, The Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above What they attribute to Him!” [Holy Qur’an 21:22]

You don't think that omniscient, perfectly wise beings would be able to figure out how to co-exist without getting in each others' way? Why?

 

[Ouroboros]

when I pray, I say, "oh my Creator"
if that creator is also creator of Jesus, i'm safe, and if that creator is Jesus himself, I'm still safe.

If it's open to interpretation, then neither you or I know if God will save, punish, or end the life of the atheist.

The third option here is that God saves everyone, even if he/she is just a good atheist. No belief required to enter Heaven.

A fourth option is that God penalize everyone, even the believers for everything they've done wrong, regardless if they've been good or not, believed or not.

Basically, you're not safer than me.

 

[Ouroboros]

reason is explained in Quran, The Holy Qur’an says: “If there were, in the heavens And the earth, other gods Besides Allah, there would Have been confusion in both! But glory to Allah, The Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above What they attribute to Him!” [Holy Qur’an 21:22]

So then you're screwed too.

The polytheistic pantheon requires that you believe in them or you'll be punished for eternity.

You have to believe in the whole pantheon or your chances to be saved diminish drastically.

 

[Farrukh]

when prophet Abraham may peace be upon him talked to Nimrod, Abraham said, my Lord is the one who gives life and death. Nimrod said "so what?, I can do the same", he called to prisoners, and set one of them free and killed other one. and he said "I can do the same as your Lord can do"
Prophet Abraham came to know it is worthless to debate with foolish people, he said my Lord is the one who rises Sun from east, if you are god, rise it from West. after that, Nimrod started threatening prophet Abraham.

 

[Farrukh]

I think I should now get back to work, this forum seems useless.

 

[Ouroboros]

I think I should now get back to work, this forum seems useless.

Because some people don't just bow down and agree with you?

Yeah, I agree. This forum is probably useless for anyone who wants to create a cult and a following. But if you want to be questioned, this is a great place.