If God probably don't exist!

[Farrukh]

Perhaps you could show me the verses which show that the verses I originally posted were only meant to be in effect for a limited time?

And anyway, why even bother with having humans do the dirty work? Couldn't Allah punish these people himself? Or just wait until they die and send them to hell for all eternity?

Why does religion always seem to insist on punishment in the physical world for transgressions of a spiritual nature? Perhaps because the whole thing was invented by people as an excuse to kill the people they didn't like?

Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

 

[Farrukh]

Perhaps you could show me the verses which show that the verses I originally posted were only meant to be in effect for a limited time?

And anyway, why even bother with having humans do the dirty work? Couldn't Allah punish these people himself? Or just wait until they die and send them to hell for all eternity?

Why does religion always seem to insist on punishment in the physical world for transgressions of a spiritual nature? Perhaps because the whole thing was invented by people as an excuse to kill the people they didn't like?

The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.

 

[Sumit]

The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam.

Get your facts right, Muslims never ruled India completely and the region they ruled they converted Hindu at the edge of sword or taxed them heavily. Hindus genocide by Muslims for 800 years is biggest in History of world.

Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims.

Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh were once part of India with majority of Hindus and Buddhist, where are they today. Either converted or Killed. It's specialty of Islam that at any region when Muslims are above 40% they start spreading hatered against other religions and demand for separate country/region. And once they are in majority, other have no choice but to convert or get killed.

year | | % of hindus in Pakistan || % of hindus in Bangladesh ||
|____| |____________________ ||___________________________||
| 1941| | 25 || 30 ||
| 1948| | 17 || 25 ||
| 1991| | 1.5 || <10 || |________________________________________________________


So much bloodshed but still called religion of peace, may be because it makes people silent.

 

[Farrukh]

Get your facts right, Muslims never ruled India completely and the region they ruled they converted Hindu at the edge of sword or taxed them heavily. Hindus genocide by Muslims for 800 years is biggest in History of world.

it is total lie.

Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh were once part of India with majority of Hindus and Buddhist, where are they today. Either converted or Killed. It's specialty of Islam that at any region when Muslims are above 40% they start spreading hatered against other religions and demand for separate country/region. And once they are in majority, other have no choice but to convert or get killed.

they reverted to Islam because of their love with Islam, many people hate moorti poja of hindus. Great saints came in sub continent and thousands of Hindus reverted to Islam.

year | | % of hindus in Pakistan || % of hindus in Bangladesh ||
|____| |____________________ ||___________________________||
| 1941| | 25 || 30 ||
| 1948| | 17 || 25 ||
| 1991| | 1.5 || <10 || |________________________________________________________


So much bloodshed but still called religion of peace, may be because it makes people silent.

this table shows you have very poor knowledge of history. Should i explain why?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.

Since we're talking about the treatment of non-Muslims in Muslim empires, an interesting fact: the word "genocide" was first coined to describe what Muslim Ottomans did to the Christian Armenians:

the Armenians were subject to the whims of their Turkish and Kurdish neighbors, who would regularly overtax them, subject them to brigandage and kidnapping, force them to convert to Islam, and otherwise exploit them without interference from central or local authorities.[31] In the Ottoman Empire, in accordance with the dhimmi system held up in Muslim countries, they, like all other Christians and also Jews, were accorded certain limited freedoms (such as the right to worship), but were in essence treated as second-class citizens and referred to in Turkish as gavours, a pejorative word meaning "infidel" or "unbeliever".[33] The British ethnographer William Ramsay, writing in the late 1890s after having visited the Ottoman Empire, described the conditions of the Armenians:

We must, however, go back to an older time, if we want to appreciate what uncontrolled Turkish rule meant, alike to Armenians and to Greeks. It did not mean religious persecution; it meant unutterable contempt(...). They were dogs and pigs; and their nature was to be Christians, to be spat upon, if their shadow darkened a Turk, to be outraged, to be the mats on which he wiped the mud from his feet. Conceive the inevitable result of centuries of slavery, of subjection to insult and scorn, centuries in which nothing that belonged to the Armenian, neither his property, his house, his life, his person, nor his family, was sacred or safe from violence &#8211; capricious, unprovoked violence &#8211; to resist which by violence meant death![34]

In addition to other legal limitations, Christians were not considered equals to Muslims: testimony against Muslims by Christians and Jews was inadmissible in courts of law; they were forbidden to carry weapons or ride atop horses; their houses could not overlook those of Muslims; and their religious practices were severely circumscribed (e.g., the ringing of church bells was strictly forbidden).[35] Violation of these statutes could result in punishments ranging from the levying of exorbitant fines to execution.

While there is no consensus as to how many Armenians lost their lives during the Armenian Genocide, there is general agreement among western scholars that over 500,000 Armenians died between 1914 and 1918. Estimates vary between 600,000,[87] to 1,500,000 (per Western scholars,[88] Argentina,[89] and other states). Encyclopædia Britannica references the research of Arnold J. Toynbee, an intelligence officer of the British Foreign Office, who estimated that by 1916, 600,000 Armenians "died or were massacred during deportation".[52][90] This figure, however, accounts for solely the first year of the Genocide and does not take into account those who died or were killed after 1916.[91]

Armenian Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Farrukh]

there is no doubt that our ancestors in subcontinent were Hindu, but do you have any proof for what you are saying?

 

[IHaveTheGift]

This is ignorance talking.
What one assumes to be true and what is true are not comparable, not even compatible in relation to each other.
Its like saying that wanting a banana split is the same thing as not getting an apple pie.

 

[Sb1995]

there is no doubt that our ancestors in subcontinent were Hindu, but do you have any proof for what you are saying?

In 2003 a six year old Sikh girl was kidnapped by a member of the Afridi tribe in Northwest Frontier Province; he also claimed the girl had converted to Islam and therefore could not be returned to her family.[107]

The United Nations Refugee Agency reported in 2013 that at least 700 Christian girls in Pakistan are kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam every year. Additionally, the report claims 15 to 20 Hindu kidnapping cases are reported each month to the Hindu Council in Karachi alone, widespread complaints of forced conversions and forced child marriages of Hindu girls to Muslim men in Sindh province of Pakistan. The Human Rights Council of Pakistan has reported that cases of forced conversion are increasing.[108][109]

In prior years too, around 25 Hindu girls have been reported to be abducted every month and converted to Islam forcibly in Pakistan, as reported by Pakistani media.[110] In May 2007, members of the Christian community of Charsadda in the North West Frontier Province of Pakistan, close to the border of Afghanistan, reported that they had received letters threatening bombings if they did not convert to Islam, and that the police were not taking their fears seriously.[111] In June 2009, International Christian Concern (ICC) reported the rape and killing of a Christian man in Pakistan, for refusing to convert to Islam.[112]

Rinkle Kumari, a 19 year Pakistani student, Dr. Lata Kumari, and Asha Kumari, a Hindu working in a beauty parlor, were allegedly forced to convert from Hinduism to Islam.[113][114] Their cases were appealed all the way to the Supreme Court of Pakistan where they said that they wanted to live with their parents and not their 'so called' husbands.[115] The court issued a verdict that they should stay with their husbands.

 

[Farrukh]

In 2003 a six year old Sikh girl was kidnapped by a member of the Afridi tribe in Northwest Frontier Province; he also claimed the girl had converted to Islam and therefore could not be returned to her family.[107]

The United Nations Refugee Agency reported in 2013 that at least 700 Christian girls in Pakistan are kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam every year. Additionally, the report claims 15 to 20 Hindu kidnapping cases are reported each month to the Hindu Council in Karachi alone, widespread complaints of forced conversions and forced child marriages of Hindu girls to Muslim men in Sindh province of Pakistan. The Human Rights Council of Pakistan has reported that cases of forced conversion are increasing.[108][109]

In prior years too, around 25 Hindu girls have been reported to be abducted every month and converted to Islam forcibly in Pakistan, as reported by Pakistani media.[110] In May 2007, members of the Christian community of Charsadda in the North West Frontier Province of Pakistan, close to the border of Afghanistan, reported that they had received letters threatening bombings if they did not convert to Islam, and that the police were not taking their fears seriously.[111] In June 2009, International Christian Concern (ICC) reported the rape and killing of a Christian man in Pakistan, for refusing to convert to Islam.[112]

Rinkle Kumari, a 19 year Pakistani student, Dr. Lata Kumari, and Asha Kumari, a Hindu working in a beauty parlor, were allegedly forced to convert from Hinduism to Islam.[113][114] Their cases were appealed all the way to the Supreme Court of Pakistan where they said that they wanted to live with their parents and not their 'so called' husbands.[115] The court issued a verdict that they should stay with their husbands.

Indian Christians have alleged that "radical Hindu groups" in Orissa, India have forced Christian converts from Hinduism to "revert"[69] to Hinduism. These "religious riots" were largely between two tribal groups in Orissa, one of which was predominantly Hindu and another predominantly Christian, over the assassination of a Hindu leader named Swami Lakshmanananda by Christian Maoists operating as terrorist groups in India (see Naxalite).[70] In the aftermath of the violence, American Christian evangelical groups have claimed that Hindu groups are "forcibly reverting" Christians converts from Hinduism back to Hinduism.[69] However, some local Christian groups have dismissed these allegations and forced conversion is not what Jesus Christ preached.[71]

why you ignored this ??

 

[Farrukh]

out of this list, you just copied one thing.

1 Christianity
1.1 End of Roman empire
1.2 Medieval era
1.3 Spanish Inquisition
1.4 Goa Inquisition
1.5 Native American boarding schools
2 Judaism
3 Islam
3.1 Early
3.2 Medieval
3.3 Modern
4 Atheism
5 Twenty-first century
5.1 Buddhism
5.2 Christianity
5.2.1 Roman Catholicism
5.3 Hinduism
5.4 Islam
5.4.1 Indonesia
5.4.2 Middle-East
5.4.3 Maldives
5.4.4 India
5.4.5 Pakistan
5.4.6 Somalia
5.4.7 United Kingdom

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I was watching The Deen Show yesterday when a Religious scholar said, if Atheist are correct and there is probably no God in existence, then as Atheist die, we will die. there is no problem for us.
But if we are correct, then they are doomed.
In both cases, we are on safe side
and i think he was making sense.

If you are believing in god simply to "be on the safe side," would you even consider that to be real "faith"? When you say "just to be on the safe side," then that implies that you already have doubts in your mind.
Also... What if it's not the Muslim god? What if it's the Christian god? Then you'll be going to hell with us.

 

[StarryNightshade]

Indian Christians have alleged that "radical Hindu groups" in Orissa, India have forced Christian converts from Hinduism to "revert"[69] to Hinduism. These "religious riots" were largely between two tribal groups in Orissa, one of which was predominantly Hindu and another predominantly Christian, over the assassination of a Hindu leader named Swami Lakshmanananda by Christian Maoists operating as terrorist groups in India (see Naxalite).[70] In the aftermath of the violence, American Christian evangelical groups have claimed that Hindu groups are "forcibly reverting" Christians converts from Hinduism back to Hinduism.[69] However, some local Christian groups have dismissed these allegations and forced conversion is not what Jesus Christ preached.[71]

why you ignored this ??

Extremists are extremists regardless of the ideology. I don't think it's a matter of "your religion did this" or "that religion did that".

 

[Sb1995]

out of this list, you just copied one thing.

1 Christianity
1.1 End of Roman empire
1.2 Medieval era
1.3 Spanish Inquisition
1.4 Goa Inquisition
1.5 Native American boarding schools
2 Judaism
3 Islam
3.1 Early
3.2 Medieval
3.3 Modern
4 Atheism
5 Twenty-first century
5.1 Buddhism
5.2 Christianity
5.2.1 Roman Catholicism
5.3 Hinduism
5.4 Islam
5.4.1 Indonesia
5.4.2 Middle-East
5.4.3 Maldives
5.4.4 India
5.4.5 Pakistan
5.4.6 Somalia
5.4.7 United Kingdom

Looks like muslims have forecefully converted throughout the rest of the world as well.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

One of my students once got Jinn, he was in miserable condition, they took him to some religious scholar, doctors can't do anything with such type of cases, non-believers can just label him as 'possessed', but how they are cured within few minutes when they are taken to religious people?

What are the symptoms of "having a jinn"?

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Insults are strictly against forum policy.

You should remove it before someone brings the admin hammer down on you.

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

Reverted because of their "love for Islam" ?
Sooo.... what about the papers distributed outside many mosque un pakistan stating the price for bringing Sikhi, Jain, and Hindu girls to Islam ? I get it, paki and bengladeshis muslims spread the love by kidnapping girls, force them into Islam, they get money for it !

Let's talk about bengladesh ! Yes it's all lies. Unfidels hindus come to Islam by love ! Life is so full of love and brotherhood there ! Conversion by the sword ? Pffrrt, why you need that when you have the power of LOVE ?

Let it rain love !

Now stop saying it's all lies for Bengladesh and "peaceful" conversions when everyday there are hundreds of facts, photos, newspapers, and witnesses that prove the exact countrary of what you say.

But yes, go on, cover your eyes, we're lying !

By doing so you are dishounouring all those people in Bengladesh and Pakistant that have commited the terrible crime of not being muslims in their own countries and that are each day treatened, money stolen, house burned, temples destroyed, cattle killed, family members kidnapped, that live a living hell thanks to your love. So you know what to do with your love ? Keep it to yourself.

 

[Farrukh]

Reverted because of their "love for Islam" ?
Sooo.... what about the papers distributed outside many mosque un pakistan stating the price for bringing Sikhi, Jain, and Hindu girls to Islam ? I get it, paki and bengladeshis muslims spread the love by kidnapping girls, force them into Islam, they get money for it !

there are many other problems beside forcing non-muslims to Islam in a country like Pakistan.

what you say about USA? who is forcing people to revert to Islam?

just three four days ago, more than 35 people accepted Islam during Dubai International Peace Conference, who forced them? how Islam became 2nd largest religion in the world? Hinduism is one of the oldest religion in the world still unable to propagate outside Hindustan.

 

[Farrukh]

What are the symptoms of "having a jinn"?

I don't know, you can Google and watch videos.

 

[Madhuri]

just three four days ago, more than 35 people accepted Islam during Dubai International Peace Conference, who forced them? how Islam became 2nd largest religion in the world? Hinduism is one of the oldest religion in the world still unable to propagate outside Hindustan.

What are you talking about?
Hinduism used to be wide spread throughout Asia and there are many places where it once existed until they were destroyed by others.
And Hinduism is spreading worldwide. My own parents were converts. I'm not Indian and most Hindus I know are not Indian.
Hinduism is also currently the fastest growing religion in Australia.

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

there are many other problems beside forcing non-muslims to Islam in a country like Pakistan.

I never denied this... You point being "naah it's ok there is far worse than people suffering and dying for stupid reasons" then ?

what you say about USA? who is forcing people to revert to Islam?
just three four days ago, more than 35 people accepted Islam during Dubai International Peace Conference,

cover your eyes, quick quick, cover your eyes and drown the fish ! Hundreds of "disbelievers" and "pagans" dying and suffering each day ? NEVER MIND PEOPLE LOOK at those fresh new 35 people that became muslims peacefully !

Oh... The fish is not drowning... I wonder why !

how Islam became 2nd largest religion in the world?

I honestly don't give a single damn of the number one, two three or sixty seven religion of the world. I'll tell you a secret: this is not a "who's got the bigger one" contest.

Hinduism is one of the oldest religion in the world still unable to propagate outside Hindustan.

*meeeep* wrong, Hinduism is growing fast in the west.

And let me tell you some things since you are so much attached to ranking over being good to other human beings:

Proselytizing is strictly forbidden in Hinduism. No Hindu will ever try to convince anyone to convert. That's sad uh ? I'm deeply sorry that we are a religion that learn our childrens to respect another's belief rather than to teach them that their neigbours are going to hell and should convert. We are really, really terrible people. Good thing some people are there to remind us how terrible we are for being tolerant to others beliefs by burning our houses, destroying our temples or kidnapping our girls.