If homosexuality is a choice, why can't I choose to be attracted to men?

[dust1n]

"Gays had to try it first"

I didn't have to try to find out I was sexuality attracted to men, I tried because I am and was sexuality attracted to men. That's right, I was aware of my attraction before I ever had any sexual interactions with other males.

I've never even met a homosexual who didn't know they were a homosexual until a homosexual act.

 

[dust1n]

Second and third base will certainly bring it to run. Any assertion that you will not be aroused by the touch and/or foreplay I would assume you're outright lying.

SO, watching gay porn and not being attracted to it would not qualify?

And I've attempted to have sexual relations with women before whether neither TOUCH nor FOREPLAY was going to make it happen. I just wasn't really attracted to.. though I certainly wanted it to be.

Glad you got the joke.

Whoops... ceiling fan is on..

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

why can't I consciously decide to be sexually attracted to men?

This is a test

Just look at this. Now tell me. Do men turn you on.

 

[Kov03]

I meant Dust1n, I think I just saw tumbleweed's name recently and typed it instead. The rest of my post holds exactly true though. and there may have been a desire to be attracted in that way...but the actual attraction and desire in that form was not there and could not be forced.

Okay so you had the right person. Because your original post went on to a bunch of subjects I never brought up rape and force
I simply said dust1n was full of it. When he makes this statement that he loves this guy there was a desire to try and guess what the could not even get aroused!!!

He loved the guy and there was a desire to try. You go on with rape nonsense about force had no idea what you're talking about. When my only point was his statement he could not get an arousal. It's bull

Oh that's bull. You don't have to try to have sex first to "confirm" you are heterosexual. Even if a person doesn't enjoy sex it doesn't change their orientation. Orientation has nothing to do with whether or not someone enjoys sex as a whole. It has to do with whom you are naturally attracted to on a personal level, not just sexual. Sex is a part of it, yes, but it's so much more than just that. Parts of a whole. You may love someone, but without the attraction it isn't going to happen. And with some people, the physical attraction may naturally be there, but they need more to the relationship in order to "perform". Sexuality is a complex issue. It cannot be summed up with a Yo Gabba Gabba sing-song of "Try it! You'll like it!"

Here we go again I did not say how to try sex to confirm that you're a heterosexual or gay. But you have to try what's attracting you
to see if the attraction is true and good.
Sexuality is a complex issue.True. There are relationships and just plain sex. But this guy tries to make a point that even though he tried to be gay he just could not be aroused. I say that's bull again. If he said he just didn't enjoy it then there's no dispute,

 

[Kov03]

SO, watching gay porn and not being attracted to it would not qualify?

And I've attempted to have sexual relations with women before whether neither TOUCH nor FOREPLAY was going to make it happen. I just wasn't really attracted to.. though I certainly wanted it to be.




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This has told me there's other issues. When I said most guys have an arousal when the wind changes I was not kidding.
For the majority of my life IT did have a mind of its own. You're not aroused very easily. I could've made out with wall and become aroused
　
　
As far as the porn there was sometimes I was laughing throughout because it was such a poor show.
But other experiences with porn was the more I watch the more I became attracted to acts I was not attracted to before

 

[dust1n]

This is a test

Just look at this. Now tell me. Do men turn you on.

HAHA. Well if they did, it certainly wouldn't be Clooney.

 

[Draka]

This is a test

Just look at this. Now tell me. Do men turn you on.

I guess I'm not attracted to men then if that is the test...because I have never been able to figure out what some women find so attractive in that guy. He does absolutely nothing for me and never has.

 

[Draka]

Okay so you had the right person. Because your original post went on to a bunch of subjects I never brought up rape and force

No, you brought up sexual arousal by touch and that it somehow makes for arousal. It doesn't. That's why I brought up the rape aspect. Because people who are raped have bodily reactions that are merely biological, they are "forced" reactions. Does not mean they are actually wanting to have sex, does not mean they are aroused as a whole, it means their penis gets hard or their vagina lubes...that's much different from actual desire.

I simply said dust1n was full of it. When he makes this statement that he loves this guy there was a desire to try and guess what the could not even get aroused!!!

That does not mean he is full of it or lying in anyway. It would just mean that it wasn't a forced issue and perhaps he wanted a natural response...a natural desire. Which he does not have.

He loved the guy and there was a desire to try. You go on with rape nonsense about force had no idea what you're talking about. When my only point was his statement he could not get an arousal. It's bull

Desire to try to see if he had a natural desire and desire to forcefully get oneself aroused and then force oneself to have sex with someone they really aren't attracted to are two different things.

Here we go again I did not say how to try sex to confirm that you're a heterosexual or gay. But you have to try what's attracting you to see if the attraction is true and good.

he's saying that he isn't attracted in that way though and you are suggesting that he "go ahead" and do it to "see" if he likes it. You are the one who said that gays have to "try it" first as if that's what determines if they are gay or not.

Sexuality is a complex issue.True. There are relationships and just plain sex. But this guy tries to make a point that even though he tried to be gay he just could not be aroused. I say that's bull again. If he said he just didn't enjoy it then there's no dispute,

You're wrong though. It's not "bull". It's one thing to forcefully get aroused and a completely different think to naturally get aroused. That's what I've been saying all along. He'd like to be naturally aroused. Not forcefully. If it is a matter of forcefully aroused then what would be enjoyable or loving about that? Nothing.

 

[Kov03]

No, you brought up sexual arousal by touch and that it somehow makes for arousal. It doesn't. That's why I brought up the rape aspect. Because people who are raped have bodily reactions that are merely biological, they are "forced" reactions. Does not mean they are actually wanting to have sex, does not mean they are aroused as a whole, it means their penis gets hard or their vagina lubes...that's much different from actual desire.

That does not mean he is full of it or lying in anyway. It would just mean that it wasn't a forced issue and perhaps he wanted a natural response...a natural desire. Which he does not have.

Desire to try to see if he had a natural desire and desire to forcefully get oneself aroused and then force oneself to have sex with someone they really aren't attracted to are two different things.

he's saying that he isn't attracted in that way though and you are suggesting that he "go ahead" and do it to "see" if he likes it. You are the one who said that gays have to "try it" first as if that's what determines if they are gay or not.

You're wrong though. It's not "bull". It's one thing to forcefully get aroused and a completely different think to naturally get aroused. That's what I've been saying all along. He'd like to be naturally aroused. Not forcefully. If it is a matter of forcefully aroused then what would be enjoyable or loving about that? Nothing.

How do you answer for some one else is impossiable in my book.
To agree to sit done and kiss and foreplay is not being forced on him..
you are not him.. Dream on.. He never said nor me every said force on your self.. he decided to try on his own and made bogus and insulting statements that he could not get aroused.

 

[Jeremiah]

Heterosexuals have to try it first to confirm they like sex.
Many people are attracted but find later they do not enjoy sex with anybody.
There has to be a confirmation that your attractions or feelings are correct.

That is not true.

How old are you? Sorry to be so direct, but it occurs to me that perhaps you hold these views because you may be too young for sex.

 

[Draka]

How do you answer for some one else is impossiable in my book.
To agree to sit done and kiss and foreplay is not being forced on him..
you are not him.. Dream on.. He never said nor me every said force on your self.. he decided to try on his own and made bogus and insulting statements that he could not get aroused.

You're just not getting it are you? I can say this until I'm blue in the face. He's said he's tried and nothing has happened. He's said he's made out with guy friends in the past and nothing happened. How are they "bogus and insulting" statements by saying he could not get aroused? Why would it be something he would lie about to make it "bogus" and WHO in the world is he "insulting"???

I have to agree with Jeremiah on this question. Just how old are you anyway? Because you're pretty darn naive about sexual relations.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

I've tried. I have made out with guys. It doesn't physically disgust me; but it does nothing for me. I can't make myself become aroused without thinking of women.

Why would you do that if you aren't attracted to them?

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Oh sorry dustn1 you already answered my question.

 

[Kov03]

That is not true.

How old are you? Sorry to be so direct, but it occurs to me that perhaps you hold these views because you may be too young for sex.

You do not state what's not true. Some people prefer the chase. Others preferred sex.
Some find they really do not like sex all that much but the attraction is still there.
I am old and past my prime days.

You're just not getting it are you? I can say this until I'm blue in the face. He's said he's tried and nothing has happened. He's said he's made out with guy friends in the past and nothing happened. How are they "bogus and insulting" statements by saying he could not get aroused? Why would it be something he would lie about to make it "bogus" and WHO in the world is he "insulting"???

I have to agree with Jeremiah on this question. Just how old are you anyway? Because you're pretty darn naive about sexual relations.

I too am blue in the face with you too and you show your immaturity by repeating Jeremiahs question.
Its My own sexual experiences that made me say he's full of it. But later he articulates he's having other troubles of having a arousal with now girls. My only experience of ever having trouble with an arousal was when I was drunk as a skunk. It's very easy to be aroused for me during my active years. So all I did was put myself in his shoes and know if I made the decision to have physical contact with the guy I love there would be an arousal. He's just trying to make a point that it's never a choice when at times it is.

 

[Jeremiah]

You do not state what's not true. Some people prefer the chase. Others preferred sex.
Some find they really do not like sex all that much but the attraction is still there.
I am old and past my prime days.

I too am blue in the face with you too and you show your immaturity by repeating Jeremiahs question.
Its My own sexual experiences that made me say he's full of it. But later he articulates he's having other troubles of having a arousal with now girls. My only experience of ever having trouble with an arousal was when I was drunk as a skunk. It's very easy to be aroused for me during my active years. So all I did was put myself in his shoes and know if I made the decision to have physical contact with the guy I love there would be an arousal. He's just trying to make a point that it's never a choice when at times it is.

"You do not state what's not true."

I am not going to argue with you, if that is what you are looking for.

 

[Draka]

I think I'm done with Kov03. Doesn't listen. Doesn't really answer. Won't say who's being "insulted". Nothing. Getting to the point where I don't believe a word from him. Done.

 

[dust1n]

Oh sorry dustn1 you already answered my question.

I hope that is an understandable reason.

 

[AxisMundi]

try acting out. Try it and see if you like it. Gays had to try it first

I did not have to "try it out" out know I was attracted to the opposite sex.

Did you?

Or, as is normal for everyone, did you first begin to notice the opposite sex in junior high or there-abouts when puberty struck?

People have an inate sence of attraction long before puberty sets in. There is no need for straights or gays to "kick the tires and take a test drive".

 

[dust1n]

I did not have to "try it out" out know I was attracted to the opposite sex.

Did you?

Or, as is normal for everyone, did you first begin to notice the opposite sex in junior high or there-abouts when puberty struck?

People have an inate sence of attraction long before puberty sets in. There is no need for straights or gays to "kick the tires and take a test drive".

Apparently all those young experiments had nothing to do with conjuring fantasy images of the opposite sex until after I tried sex?

 

[AxisMundi]

Apparently all those young experiments had nothing to do with conjuring fantasy images of the opposite sex until after I tried sex?

Got me by the shorts.