If hypothetically a man actually did what Jesus did in the 1st century would it occur like the story

[amorphous_constellation]

He was a Prophet of God, came for reforms Israelites, preached, prayed, showed miracles but not to extent as claimed otherwise you would have won your case. He healed spiritually sicks, not the completely blinds.

Well, I'm not arguing with another claim in mind at the moment, just the Christian one.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

But only a tiny, tiny few would ever be direct witnesses - for the vast majority, the claim must still be taken on faith. It remains for almost all people an anecdote.

Well, how long would you do the miracles and where would you go?

 

[Bunyip]

Well, how long would you do the miracles and where would you go?

An interesting question indeed.

I think that miracles would be a poor choice for a deity wishing to make her presence felt. Even if a zillion people saw it, they would soon pass away and the story would be just a story.

So as God, I would write a message in the stars - a huge image of a dude on a throne with 'God' written above it in every future language.

 

[Bunyip]

Indigenous Mover

What would you do?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I'd.... hmm. I don't really know.

 

[raph]

So people of power would actually put a mass miracle worker to death?

Of course, if he claims to be a better leader then them, and gains followers. Powerful people usually like power, that's why they put in the effort to become powerful in the first place. When someone comes to challenge that power, and their abilities to be leaders, they don't like it. No one likes to lose his job and prestige because of a carpenter, so they killed him. Doesn't matter how good his message and miracles were.

 

[DawudTalut]

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So as God, I would write a message in the stars - a huge image of a dude on a throne with 'God' written above it in every future language.

How to see on cloudy day,...... people with weak eye sight?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Of course, if he claims to be a better leader then them, and gains followers. Powerful people usually like power, that's why they put in the effort to become powerful in the first place. When someone comes to challenge that power, and their abilities to be leaders, they don't like it. No one likes to lose his job and prestige because of a carpenter, so they killed him. Doesn't matter how good his message and miracles were.

Well what if he did the miracles and didn't challenge the power, what then?

 

[Bunyip]

How to see on cloudy day?

Good point Dawud. I would have made clouds more see through. Or put writing on the clouds saying "God is afk".

(away from keyboard, a gaming term)

 

[raph]

Well what if he did the miracles and didn't challenge the power, what then?

If he didn't proclaim that he is the Messiah, didn't break the jewish law and didn't tell people to follow him instead of the clergy, then probably they would accept him. I dont know, why shouldn't they. A leader would be more than stupid to not accept a powerful person, who submits to him.

If you are secretly a miracle worker, trying to avoid the fate of Jesus. Just don't oppose the powerful people and you should be fine ^^

 

[Curious George]

My hypothesis is that if a man actually was born on the earth from a virgin, acquired incredible magical powers, healed lepers, spread around endless baskets of instantaneous fish and bread, healed the blind etc. etc. that there would be no human being who would actually want to crucify him. In fact, the moment he healed those lepers and created that food, word would spread so fast across the empire that he would probably instantly be carted away to Rome in a royal litter, and put into a high position of power. Or, am I mistaken?

While you make a valid point, what do you think would happen if some government found an alien?

I think people have a tendency to kill things they don't understand. Not saying anyone is right or wrong in their beliefs because of this, but I am guessing they would have killed a magic man sooner or later.

 

[jonathan180iq]

More than just being a magic miracle man from a virgin's loins, what's the point of the crucifixion and resurrection when it's not really death and suffering at all? A few hours of agony, followed by a long nap and then a 40 day vacation doesn't sound like a big deal to me...

So to take your point one step further OP, if someone today could do all that stuff, and really had all of these powers and abilities, what's the worst that we could do to them? Electrocution? Waterboarding? Hanging? Firing Squad?

In each of those methods I can see how a resurrection even could take place, since the body is still intact.
Why not ask how a Jesus figure would survive 18th Century French executions?
If you really want to see something cool, let's have our mythological figure get back up after execution via guillotine!

 

[outhouse]

He showed that the people of power are sharlatans, that is why they hated and killed him

How did he do that?


You have any sources?

 

[outhouse]

As regards other miracles, people claimed they were true and probably even believed they were true. Even today, people genuinely believe in divine miracles and claim to have experienced them directly.

That Jesus' actually happened, rather than were simply believed to have happened, doesn't actually make the massive difference you think it would have.

Your missing his OP

Hypothetically speaking, if one was a miracle worker as reported, and really was divine, not mythology divine people discount, but the real deal.

Well he would have been able to overthrow the Romans, not start religion for them.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

If you are secretly a miracle worker, trying to avoid the fate of Jesus. Just don't oppose the powerful people and you should be fine ^^

Except I'm still skeptical that if people powerful or otherwise saw an actual miracle, their minds would be changed. Whether we are talking about Jesus or Moses or whoever, their hypothesis was that the powerful were unalterable by the witnessing of miracles. That's actually quite a leap, quite an assumption.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

While you make a valid point, what do you think would happen if some government found an alien?

If the government actually found an alien? Well, what was the alien doing, was it a benevolent alien, did it have something to declare to us or not? I don't think they'd want to kill it, they'd want to talk to it.

 

[Curious George]

If the government actually found an alien? Well, what was the alien doing, was it a benevolent alien, did it have something to declare to us or not? I don't think they'd want to kill it, they'd want to talk to it.

Absolutely, they would want to talk to it until they got all the information from talking, then they would want to test it until they got all the information from testing, then they'd want to dissect it to get all the information from it they could. But they'd kill it eventually. That is just in many people's nature.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

More than just being a magic miracle man from a virgin's loins, what's the point of the crucifixion and resurrection when it's not really death and suffering at all? A few hours of agony, followed by a long nap and then a 40 day vacation doesn't sound like a big deal to me...

How did the deity expect their crucifixion to become popularized? Back then it was probably like 'some rebel gets crucified, big deal, don't talk about that around the dinner table,' when the modern people get, the more exotic a crucifixion looks (since civilized people do that less) and that seemed have enabled Christianity to sustain itself into our time.

So to take your point one step further OP, if someone today could do all that stuff, and really had all of these powers and abilities, what's the worst that we could do to them? Electrocution? Waterboarding? Hanging? Firing Squad?

I don't really understand, and I repeat over and over, why anyone would execute an actual miracle worker, be they a revolutionary or otherwise. Btw if it was electrocution instead and we all had to wear electric chairs around our neck instead of the cross, what would Jesus have said to Thomas? 'But Thomas, look at my hair, it is still frazzled?'

 

[jonathan180iq]

Absolutely, they would want to talk to it until they got all the information from talking, then they would want to test it until they got all the information from testing, then they'd want to dissect it to get all the information from it they could. But they'd kill it eventually. That is just in many people's nature.

Counter proposal...

Why would obviously vastly superior beings allow such things to happen to them? In both the alien the analogy and the Jesus comparative, why would magically powerful beings not just make their dominance known? Isn't that what we see from all other examples of human activity and in nature?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Counter proposal...

Why would obviously vastly superior beings allow such things to happen to them? In both the alien the analogy and the Jesus comparative, why would magically powerful beings not just make their dominance known? Isn't that what we see from all other examples of human activity and in nature?

Well the philosopher who creates these scenarios is setting it up like that on purpose. Their challenge to us is that 'dominance' is all we know, all we can learn by. If this is true, then we are no better than mere apes, no better than any other primate on earth.