If it could be proved no god exists

[Trailblazer]

Balullah said he is a Manifestation of God and you believe it because Balullah said he is a Manifestation of God.

No that is not why .It would be circular reasoning to believe someone was a Messenger of God just because He said so, but it is not circular reasoning because there is evidence that can be used to support His claim. Anyone can say that they are a Messenger of God but why would I believe them unless there was a lot of evidence to back up that claim?

 

[Trailblazer]

So, the first Messenger of God said there was a worldwide flood.
Now, the latest Messenger of God said there was no worldwide flood.

I do not know of any Messenger who ever said there was a worldwide flood. The Bible said it, but a Messenger did not write the Bible, men did.

And then, in a very self-serving manner states: "entirely disregard these conflicting tales and traditions".

Messenger Now instructs you to entirely disregard the teachings of Messenger Then.

Lol, no Messenger wrote the “conflicting tales and traditions” recorded in the Bible or any other scriptures. The reason they are considered tales and traditions is because no Messenger wrote them, they were written by men.

Messenger Now also cleverly tells you that there will not be another Messenger for 2000 years. That means no one can contradict Him like He is contradicting Previous Messengers for 2000 years.
And you believe this.

Baha’u’llah did not contradict any Messengers unless you can find some original scriptures written by another Messenger that are contradictory.

Yes, I believe this because it makes sense and there is a lot of evidence that Baha’u’llah was a Messenger of God.

 

[Trailblazer]

That wording is very interesting and very telling.

Why is it interesting and what is it telling you?

 

[ecco]

Your made of anti-matter unless you repent.

My made? You said "your made". What is my made? Are you referring to my maid?


ETA: Oh, wait. I see now. You meant "you're made...". I get it. That's funny. However, neither I nor my keyboard are disintegrating, therefore I'm not made of anti-matter and I don't need to repent. Whew!

 

[ecco]

I do not know of any Messenger who ever said there was a worldwide flood. The Bible said it, but a Messenger did not write the Bible, men did.

Bahai states that Moses was a Messenger.
The writing of the OT is attributed to Moses.

If Moses did not write the OT, then what messages did Bahai Messenger Moses impart to mankind?
If not through the OT, how did Bahai Messenger Moses impart knowledge to mankind?

 

[ecco]

Lol, no Messenger wrote the “conflicting tales and traditions” recorded in the Bible or any other scriptures. The reason they are considered tales and traditions is because no Messenger wrote them, they were written by men.

Jesus is recognized by Bahai as a Messenger. How did Jesus impart God's Messages to mankind if not through the NT?

 

[ecco]

Yes, I believe this because it makes sense and there is a lot of evidence that Baha’u’llah was a Messenger of God.

According to Bahai, Moses and Jesus and Allah were also Messengers. Since you disregard the OT and the NT and probably the Koran, how did these Messengers communicate God's teachings to man?

 

[ecco]

I ran away from God most of my life, because I had no desire to believe.
I do not even have that desire now, but reason and logic finally caught up with me.

Why is it interesting and what is it telling you?

Because it makes very clear that you have been searching for a religion to believe in all your life. When you found Bahai, you were finally at peace with your own needs.

 

[Katzpur]

Your made of anti-matter unless you repent.

Anti-matter? What on earth is that?

 

[MonkeyFire]

My made? You said "your made". What is my made? Are you referring to my maid?


ETA: Oh, wait. I see now. You meant "you're made...". I get it. That's funny. However, neither I nor my keyboard are disintegrating, therefore I'm not made of anti-matter and I don't need to repent. Whew!

You dont have to repent and even if I forgive you you'll never be as happy as you could have been.

 

[Katzpur]

You dont have to repent and even if I forgive you you'll never be as happy as you could have been.

So are you the one appointed to forgive non-believers? How'd you get that job?

 

[ecco]

You dont have to repent and even if I forgive you you'll never be as happy as you could have been.

Since you believe that belief in God brings happiness, please explain why the divorce rate is higher among Fundamentalist Christians than it is among atheists.

 

[Trailblazer]

Bahai states that Moses was a Messenger.
The writing of the OT is attributed to Moses.

If Moses did not write the OT, then what messages did Bahai Messenger Moses impart to mankind?
If not through the OT, how did Bahai Messenger Moses impart knowledge to mankind?

The message of Moses was imparted through the OT, but that does not mean that everything that was attributed to Moses was exactly what Moses said or that it literally happened. In some cases what is written in the Bible is metaphorical, so for example the worldwide flood story could have had a metaphorical meaning.

From Letters Written on Behalf of the Guardian:

When 'Abdu'l-Bahá states we believe what is in the Bible, He means in substance. Not that we believe every word of it to be taken literally or that every word is the authentic saying of the Prophet.
(11 February 1944 to an individual believer)

We cannot be sure of the authenticity of any of the phrases in the Old or the New Testament. What we can be sure of is when such references or words are cited or quoted in either the Quran or the Bahá'í writings.
(4 July 1947 to an individual believer)

From letters written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice:

In studying the Bible Bahá'ís must bear two principles in mind. The first is that many passages in Sacred Scriptures are intended to be taken metaphorically, not literally, and some of the paradoxes and apparent contradictions which appear are intended to indicate this. The second is the fact that the text of the early Scriptures, such as the Bible, is not wholly authentic.
(28 May 1984 to an individual believer)

The Bahá'ís believe that God's Revelation is under His care and protection and that the essence, or essential elements, of what His Manifestations intended to convey has been recorded and preserved in Their Holy Books. However, as the sayings of the ancient Prophets were written down some time later, we cannot categorically state, as we do in the case of the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, that the words and phrases attributed to Them are Their exact words
(9 August 1984 to an individual believer)

The Bible

 

[Trailblazer]

Jesus is recognized by Bahai as a Messenger. How did Jesus impart God's Messages to mankind if not through the NT?

Jesus did not impart any messages through the NT. The men who wrote the NT imparted God's Messages about Jesus to mankind. The same applies as I just said about Moses, with these additions that apply to the Gospels.

From the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh:

The Four Gospels were written after Him [Christ]. John, Luke, Mark and Matthew - these four wrote after Christ what they remembered of His utterances.
(From a previously untranslated Tablet)

From Letters Written on Behalf of the Guardian:

...we cannot be sure how much or how little of the four Gospels are accurate and include the words of Christ and His undiluted teachings, all we can be sure of, as Bahá'ís, is that what has been quoted by Bahá'u'lláh and the Master must be absolutely authentic. As many times passages in the Gospel of St. John are quoted we may assume that it is his Gospel and much of it accurate.
(23 January 1944 to an individual believer)

The Bible

 

[Trailblazer]

According to Bahai, Moses and Jesus and Allah were also Messengers. Since you disregard the OT and the NT and probably the Koran, how did these Messengers communicate God's teachings to man?

Clearly, the Baha'i Faith does not disregard the OT, the NT, or the Koran.
These are the sacred scriptures whereby these Messengers communicated God's teachings to man.

From Letters Written on Behalf of the Guardian:

...The Bible is not wholly authentic, and in this respect is not to be compared with the Qur'an, and should be wholly subordinated to the authentic writings of Bahá'u'lláh.
(28 July 1936 to a National Spiritual Assembly)

...we cannot be sure how much or how little of the four Gospels are accurate and include the words of Christ and His undiluted teachings, all we can be sure of, as Bahá'ís, is that what has been quoted by Bahá'u'lláh and the Master must be absolutely authentic. As many times passages in the Gospel of St. John are quoted we may assume that it is his Gospel and much of it accurate.
(23 January 1944 to an individual believer)

When 'Abdu'l-Bahá states we believe what is in the Bible, He means in substance. Not that we believe every word of it to be taken literally or that every word is the authentic saying of the Prophet.
(11 February 1944 to an individual believer)

We cannot be sure of the authenticity of any of the phrases in the Old or the New Testament. What we can be sure of is when such references or words are cited or quoted in either the Quran or the Bahá'í writings.
(4 July 1947 to an individual believer)

Except for what has been explained by Bahá'u'lláh and 'Abdu'l-Bahá, we have no way of knowing what various symbolic allusions in the Bible mean.
(31 January 1955 to an individual believer)

From letters written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice:

The interpretation of biblical prophecies has long been the subject of controversy and speculation among religious scholars. As Bahá'ís, we know that we must turn to the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, 'Abdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi for authoritative guidance in these matters. When a subject has not been mentioned or explained in the Sacred Writings, we are free to consult other books and to consider the opinions of scholars if we wish to do so.

In studying the Bible Bahá'ís must bear two principles in mind. The first is that many passages in Sacred Scriptures are intended to be taken metaphorically, not literally, and some of the paradoxes and apparent contradictions which appear are intended to indicate this. The second is the fact that the text of the early Scriptures, such as the Bible, is not wholly authentic.
(28 May 1984 to an individual believer)

...The Bahá'ís believe that God's Revelation is under His care and protection and that the essence, or essential elements, of what His Manifestations intended to convey has been recorded and preserved in Their Holy Books. However, as the sayings of the ancient Prophets were written down some time later, we cannot categorically state, as we do in the case of the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, that the words and phrases attributed to Them are Their exact words.
(9 August 1984 to an individual believer)

The Bible: Extracts on the Old and New Testaments

 

[Trailblazer]

Trailblazer said: I ran away from God most of my life, because I had no desire to believe.
I do not even have that desire now, but reason and logic finally caught up with me.

Trailblazer said: Why is it interesting and what is it telling you?

ecco said: Because it makes very clear that you have been searching for a religion to believe in all your life. When you found Bahai, you were finally at peace with your own needs.

That is very, very funny, because you have made some assumptions, facts not in evidence...

I became a Baha'i at age 17 and I was not searching for God or religion when I stumbled upon the Baha'i Faith.

It was shortly after I became a Baha'i that I started to run away from God for most of my life, since had no desire to believe in God.
That went on for about 42 years.

Then about seven years ago logic and reason finally caught up with me and I realized I had better get square with God since I am getting older and I do not have that much time left on this earth. That is when I proceeded to go on the Planet Baha'i forum and talk to other Baha'is about God and Baha'u'llah.

I recall telling people that I was about 80 or 90% sure that Baha'ullah was a Messenger of God during the first couple of years, but the more I uncovered in my research, mostly because of all the questions I was fielding on an atheist forum, the more certain I became, and now I am 100% sure.

Nevertheless, believing in God and being a Baha'i is anything but fun.
If my needs mattered, being a Baha'i would be the very last thing I need.
That is probably one reason why I tried to run away from it for most of my life.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Since you believe that belief in God brings happiness, please explain why the divorce rate is higher among Fundamentalist Christians than it is among atheists.

Belief in life brings happiness.

 

[night912]

I wonder how atheist will react when we prove they dont exist.

So let's break this down and examine it logically.

"I wonder how atheist will react...." - so far, you've acknowledged that atheist exist because something that does not exist cannot and does not react whether it's a nonfictional or fictional being.

"....when we prove they....." - so you've acknowledged "they,"
they
pronoun

1. 1.
   used to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned or easily identified.

So "they," in this context, would be the pronoun that replaced "atheist."

"...don't exist." - meaning, not exist

So, in conclusion, you've acknowledged and proved that atheist exist twice, so how would you go on explaining logically that atheist exist and not exist at the same time without it being a contradiction?

 

[JJ50]

Belief in life brings happiness.

It didn't bring any happiness to me, just the opposite, I was very relieved when I lost my Christian faith.

 

[Trailblazer]

Belief in life brings happiness.

Not to everyone.
What does your God have to say about that?