Secret Chief
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Really? But you just said it would be
without talent, inspiration or creativity and be soulless. Easily spotted surely?
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If it's AI is it Art?
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without talent, inspiration or creativity and be soulless. Easily spotted surely?
Secret Chief
Degrow!
Marcel Duchamp come on down.
Anything made by AI that passes as being human made is inauthentic and dishonest
It can feign having creativity even though it is incapable of it
Secret Chief
Degrow!
You can't decide if something shows creativity?
Creativity can be feigned
The fruits of mimicry can be passed off as those of creativity
AI absorbs huge volumes of creativity and learns how to copy it so that it can try and pass its unoriginality off as art
Then it can pass the Turing Test, don't you think?
Passing the Turing Test doesn't make an AI human or mean that it has some internal mental life
It just means that it can impersonate humans
Consider the Chinese Room scenario
If your first thought is, "Oh, it's Stevie Nicks" then it hasn't exactly passed the Turing Test, don't you think?
I have, but Searle developed his scenario before there was anything like neural networks and they way that they "learn" rather than are specifically programmed. This technology is, therefore, of an entirely different nature than the digital computer programming that I used to do, and very well, if I may be permitted a moment of pride.
I don't know yet what this technology might be capable of. If what it learns can be altered by new information and new internal processing which allows it to modify or even reverse prior learning, then I suspect it will be approaching strong AI. Those are just my thoughts, of course. I'm by no means sure.
Have you ever engaged in a really involved argument with AI (ChatGPT, for example)? I have, and I have to see I'm most impressed by the technology. Once again, I can't say that it is Strong AI yet, but what @Eddi said was that AI could "fool" us. If that's the case, then I think it passes the Turing test.If your first thought is, "Oh, it's Stevie Nicks" then it hasn't exactly passed the Turing Test, don't you think?
Of course, it could be that the reason it might fool us is our lack of insight or analysis, in which case it didn't pass the Turing Test -- we just weren't smart enough to see how it failed.
Secret Chief
Degrow!
I'm not going to tell my wife that. She's got it as her ringtone and is going to see her next month...If your first thought is, "Oh, it's Stevie Nicks" then it hasn't exactly passed the Turing Test, don't you think?
Sorry, I guess my attempt at humor missed the mark there...
Secret Chief
Degrow!
On a vaguely related note...
I ran a race last Sunday (15K seeing as you ask). There's two photographers on the course, snapping away. Afterwards, traditionally, one finds your piccies by wading through several pages of photos after selecting the grouping for your expected finishing time. The latest thing now is: you upload a selfie and AI checks it against all the photos and loads the ones that have you on. Whoosh.
I ran a race last Sunday (15K seeing as you ask). There's two photographers on the course, snapping away. Afterwards, traditionally, one finds your piccies by wading through several pages of photos after selecting the grouping for your expected finishing time. The latest thing now is: you upload a selfie and AI checks it against all the photos and loads the ones that have you on. Whoosh.
PureX
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The answer to the question is "no". Only humans can make and appreciate art. AI will only mimic doing it to fool and confuse people. The way our government mimics protecting the rights, freedoms, and welfare of the people it governs in order to fool and exploit them.
AI is a wet-dream for con-men and criminals everywhere. Their lies will become impossible for us to detect and the government will do absolutely nothing to protect society from them. In fact, the politicians will be the first and main users of this new form of deceit.
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PureX
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Only the charlatans would use it. Real artists will know better than to allow machines to make fake art in their name. But the posers and charlatans will flock to it all trying to be the first.
Eventually there will be an exception to this axiom here and there, but they aren't going to matter.
Absolutely and the clue is in the name: AI is artificial
And if a thing is artificial then it is not authentic
All an artificial intelligence can produce is artificial art
And artificial art is not real art
Therefore anything made by an AI cannot be art if we are being true to the definition of art
Secret Chief
Degrow!
PureX
Veteran Member
The criminals are already doing it, and of course they are hiding the fact that it's AI. And as more and more people come to realize that they are being fooled, they will come to distrust and reject all art. Or they will accept any crap that gets put in front of them and called "art".
An artefact deliberately crafted by a human and shaped by their experiences and emotions