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If Jesus Died...
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Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
You don't get a gift if you reject it. My Dad gave me a piece of land but I still had to accept it. Grace isn't forced on anyone.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Yet God does not have to ask to forgive us. He can just do it.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Jesus did not die a cursed death on the Cross so all Pauline-Christianity people (32000+ denominations of them including JWs and Mormons) must please note it that Jesus did not die for redemption of anybody's else's sins, please . Right?
Regards
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
That's not how he chose to do it. God doesn't forgive the unrepentant.
Not the way it usually works.
If I pay my son's debt, it is paid.
I can afford it, he can't but regardless the debt and the person that held the debt are satisfied.
He can do whatever he wants or do nothing. Ignore me and the debt completely.
But ok, where does it say in the Bible that we have to accept this payment for the payment to have been made.
I don't know, wasn't there.
What is your source?
However it is pretty standard Christian theology.
So you're saying all them Christians is wrong?
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Why not?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What payment?
I like how Christians say in contradictory terms that Jesus died, and then afterwards say he's alive.
Some Christians.
There are Christians who say God(Jesus) died i.e. killed himself on the cross to free man from God.
For God so loved the world that he sacrificed himself so that man would not have to pay for his sin.
That's kind of nice right. Your Dad offs himself so you won't be forced to face him for punishment.
Being able to read God's mind must be a really powerful gift!
stvdv
Veteran Member
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Because he chooses to allow free will.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
No need. He explained it clearly.
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Since Jesus did not die on the Cross so all those who claim it must be wrong, please. Right?
Regards
Exaltist Ethan
Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
I bet 1 John 2:2 is quoted a LOT by Christian Universalists.
Still wondering what you source is.
Also if Jesus didn't die on the cross, how did he die?
IDK, I didn't make that connection but I can see where it'd be useful.