Yes, but you see, I have precisely ZERO reason to believe that was said by God, rather than attributed to God by some human writer with an agenda.
You don't appear to require a reason for that sort of acceptance -- I do.
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If Jesus Died...
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You don't appear to require a reason for that sort of acceptance -- I do.
Exaltist Ethan
Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
That makes a lot of sense but unfortunately you can't accept a piece of land by believing that land exists.
You are making the claim but asking questions to back it up.
Sorry but I am not the purveyor of religious truth.
Religious belief doesn't usually need proof. So belief is not restricted to any one particular concept of God.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Jesus and Mary were Jews so they both died as a Jew would die. Right?
I don't say that one is selling an idea but to restrict Jesus' death on Cross is making Jesus a Hellenist, please. Right?
Regards
Colt
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There was no “payment” , that’s a Pagan concept that evolved after Jesus left. Killing Jesus was a sin, it was the will of the devil!
Repentance, forgiveness and salvation is a perusal matter between the individual and God.
So not for us to say for anyone other than ourselves right?
Colt
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The Gospel was already sufficient for salvation and available for anyone in the world who seeks it.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Truth in love
Well-Known Member
The Bible list about 24 items connected with salvation.
We I pay for you to have a Airplane ticket, but you don’t go through security or are really disruptive your flight will be canceled.
ppp
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Gifts don't place an onus on the recipient. If the recipient is required to do something, then it it is not a gift. It is a commodity.
nPeace
Veteran Member
There is a clause at the end.
(2 Corinthians 5:15) . . .he died for all so that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for him who died for them and was raised up. . .
(John 3:16) . . .God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Just like donut shops.
Clizby Wampuscat
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There is no free will if God exists. God could have created any universe He wanted. A universe where you did not believe or believed. So your belief is not your choice.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The problem is that we have been tainted by being born from Adam and Eve. We keep making mistakes and are not in harmony with God's purposes.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
He allows free will in that we can choose to listen to Him and be taught by Him.
All just as God created. Or does God create worlds that go the way God doesn't want?
But doesn't do it personally, only through books and middlemen.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
He allows free will. He is the supreme authority. It's really not hard to understand once a person understands it.
Not a conundrum.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Not necessarily.
Ponder This
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1 John 1-6
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands.
Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.
But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him:
Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands.
Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.
But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him:
Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.
In conclusion, Jesus' sacrifice is not so that we are redeemed, but rather so that we may be redeemed. Moreover, this redemption is available to everyone in the world. Anyone who wants Christ as his advocate should know him, not simply say that he knows him. Sincerity and Devotion; Truth and Love.