Baha'u'llah did what we are told that the Son of Man is going to do. Jesus ain't gonna do those things since Jesus is not coming back to this world.
Baha'u'llah did not raise the dead or judge the earth or bring peace to the earth or set up the Kingdom of God on earth to rule over forever. Baha'u'llah and any other false Christ has to change the meaning of the Bible because it is impossible for them to fulfil what the return of Christ will do.
22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son was God giving authority to Jesus to judge people and it applies to when Jesus lived and during the Dispensation of Jesus. Those verses read in context make that clear. Those verses say nothing about Jesus judging people after they have died.
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19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
John 5:24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. 30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
Really are you serious that Jesus was not speaking about raising the dead and judging them?
And how about all those Son of Man passages where He is judging the dead?
You want that to be Baha'u'llah no doubt but also want God to do all the judging.
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ etc
Really, did Baha'u'llah do that. And look the Kingdom has been prepared since the creation of the world and we just have to accept it and enter it. IOW it is not up to us to make the Kingdom on earth politically.
False prophets teach lies.
Who is the Master of the house?
Baha'is don't have to watch because we already know that Christ has returned and who He was.
It was the Christians who should have been watching when Christ returned, but since they had false expectations of what would happen when Christ returned they missed Christ when He returned.
You should be watching as Jesus tells everyone to do, then you might see that the world conditions are being fulfilled for the real return of Jesus.
Baha'u'llah did not claim to be Jesus Christ. He claimed to be the return of the Spirit of Christ in another human being.
“O kings of Christendom! Heard ye not the saying of Jesus, the Spirit of God, “I go away, and come again unto you”? Wherefore, then, did ye fail, when He did come again unto you in the clouds of heaven, to draw nigh unto Him, that ye might behold His face, and be of them that attained His Presence? In another passage He saith: “When He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 246
“This is, truly, that which the Spirit of God (Jesus Christ) hath announced, when He came with truth unto you, He with Whom the Jewish doctors disputed, till at last they perpetrated what hath made the Holy Spirit to lament, and the tears of them that have near access to God to flow….”
Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 19
All Baha'u'llah has to do is say that Jesus is the Spirit of God and you believe him, and when he says that he (Baha'u'llah) was also a spirit you believe him. Jesus the Christ was a man, not a spirit. That should be obvious, and Baha'u'llah was a man, not a spirit.
I do not deny the truth in the gospels.
I do not believe that Baha'u'llah takes the place of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Bounty of God and nobody takes the place of that.
Baha'u'llah, by claiming to be the Spirit of Truth, is claiming to be the Holy Spirit who came at Pentecost and has reminded Jesus disciples of what Jesus said to them etc.
I do not deny the OT prophecies that are about Jesus but clearly all the OT prophecies are not about Jesus since they were not fulfilled by Jesus.
Those OT prophecies that were not fulfilled by Jesus were fulfilled by Baha'u'llah.
So you say that Jesus did not fulfill all the OT prophecies. That is true, but they will be fulfilled when Jesus returns,,,,,,,,,,,,, you know, all those OT prophecies that Baha'u'llah has not fulfilled. Tell me what Baha'u'llah has fulfilled of any prophecies.
I do not deny who Jesus is but I do deny what Paul said about Jesus was.
This is an excerpt from the book entitled The Light Shineth in Darkness, Studies in revelation after Christ by Udo Schaefer. This section explains how Paul changed the Christianity of Jesus. It is important to note that the views expressed by this author reflect his individual perspective and...
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Udo Schaefer is like you, a Baha'i who tears down the Bible as Baha'u'llah did and then pretends to be glorifying Jesus and the truths in the Bible.
You are wrong about that.
The evidence for Baha'u'llah being who He claimed to be is what He said and did that fulfills the prophecies for the return of Christ.
Many of those prophecies are in this book.
ALL Baha'u'llah did was write profusely. He fulfilled nothing but did change the plain meanings of the prophecies to make it look as if he might have fulfilled something.
No,
we should believe what the Bible tells us regarding who will be the return of Christ, and when He comes we need to match that up with the person who claimed to be the return of Christ.
There is not one verse in the NT where Jesus says that He is going to return. All we have are the verses that say He is no more in the world and His work is finished here.
The verses that say we will see the Son of man coming in the clouds are not a reference to Jesus returning. I explained that in this thread I posted some time ago.
Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man...
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As I have explained, Jesus tells us that He is the Son of Man and this Son of Man is not Baha'u'llah because he did none of the things that the coming Son of Man is going to do. It is as simple as that. You want to keep denying the Bible and holding up the one who wants to change the plain meaning of the Bible, then you say that
we should believe what the Bible tells us regarding who will be the return of Christ, and when He comes we need to match that up with the person who claimed to be the return of Christ.
You say that it has been worked out that maybe 80% of what is in the gospels is not true, but you want to claim that the gospels have been inspired. Hmmmmm, that sounds typical.
I think I have had enough.