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If money is the root of all evil.............

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
[/indent]We are talking $373 dollars. As far as the number people percentage wise, it's very close, and liberals donate more time.


Wowser.. this is some surprising truth about passionate conservatism.


Can you give a source that states that liberals "donate more time?"
 

dust1n

Zindīq
So what? That doesn't mean you get it BACK.

Nope. Just deducted. And I've yet to see how Brook's research (whatever he used) addresses my other issues. 9-10th Penguin main issue remains unresolved as well. Is it possible that this doctor, who presented for Bush Jr. and was accepted into the 'American Enterprise Institute' later the year the book was published, might be using buzzwords to sell books which hardly suggest anything any suggests? :shrug:
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Well, Dust1n if you can find a credible source that discredits the study, I'd read it with great interest. Seems that there would have been plenty of scrambling to discredit this if it could have been.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Can you give a source that states that liberals "donate more time?"

Page 21 of Who Really Cares?

"Conservative people are a percentage point or two more likely to give money each year than liberal people, but a percentage point or so less likely to volunteer [citing the 2002 General Social Survey (GSS) and the 2000 Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey (SCCBS)]"
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Well, Dust1n if you can find a credible source that discredits the study, I'd read it with great interest. Seems that there would have been plenty of scrambling to discredit this if it could have been.

How can I find a source that discredits a study I do not have access to?
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Yes, you will have a hard time finding sources that discredit the information about conservatives giving more than liberals. Perhaps that's because it's credible information?

Seems that a quick Google is in order!
 
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dust1n

Zindīq
Yes, you will have a hard time finding sources that discredit the information about conservatives giving more than liberals. Perhaps that's because it's credible information?

Seems that a quick Google is in order!

I noticed you changed the question from, "Why do not just click the links." Quite simply, because the 4 links provided just circle around one another and do not link to any actually studies, but rather, just take info from the book. I have done a few quick google searches and google scholar searches, and they have provided no peer reviewed studies regarding the topic.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I noticed you changed the question from, "Why do not just click the links." Quite simply, because the 4 links provided just circle around one another and do not link to any actually studies, but rather, just take info from the book. I have done a few quick google searches and google scholar searches, and they have provided no peer reviewed studies regarding the topic.

Well, that's not the edit I performed on my post - you and I were apparently posting at the same time and I asked for a link about volunteer time, then went back and reread your post and said to myself "Oh, I missed the source when I read it the first time." So no, I didn't ask you to click on any links. I asked you to PROVIDE sources for your own allegations.

This study and book made headlines all over the place. I have yet to find any thing - any study, any serious criticism - of the study methods or structure, the book, or the assertions of the study.

Have you been able to find anything discrediting the information?
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Well, that's not the edit I performed on my post - you and I were apparently posting at the same time and I asked for a link about volunteer time, then went back and reread your post and said to myself "Oh, I missed the source when I read it the first time." So no, I didn't ask you to click on any links. I asked you to PROVIDE sources for your own allegations.

Oh, my mistake.

This study and book made headlines all over the place.

Okay... so where's the study?

I have yet to find any thing - any study, any serious criticism - of the study methods or structure, the book, or the assertions of the study.

Probably because no one can find the study.

Have you been able to find anything discrediting the information?

I can't any find the study.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Arthur C. Brooks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the early 2000s, Brooks began to look deeper into behavioral economics, often using the General Social Survey. It is this work that launched him into the spotlight. During his time at Syracuse, Brooks continued his academic work on philanthropy and nonprofits, authoring several articles and textbooks.
[edit] Who Really Cares

Brooks's first foray into the limelight was in 2006 with Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth about Compassionate Conservatism.[4] Originating in his research on philanthropy and drawing on survey data, he articulates a charity gap between the 75 percent of Americans who donate to charitable causes and the rest who do not. Brooks argues that there are three cultural values that best predict charitable giving: religious participation, political views, and family structure. Ninety-one percent of people who identify themselves as religious are likely to give to charity, writes Brooks, as opposed to 66 percent of people who do not. The religious giving sector is just as likely to give to secular programs as it is to religious causes. Those who think government should do more to redistribute income are less likely to give to charitable causes, and those who believe the government has less of a role to play in income redistribution tend to give more. Finally, people who couple and raise children are more likely to give philanthropically than those who do not. The more children there are in a family, the more likely that a family will donate to charity. One of Brooks's most controversial findings was that political conservatives give more, despite having incomes that are on average 6 percent lower than liberals.
Brooks adopts what he calls a "polemic"[1] tone when offering recommendations, urging that philanthropic giving not be crowded out by government programs and that giving must be cultivated in families and communities. He admits being surprised by his conclusion: "These are not the sort of conclusions I ever thought I would reach when I started looking at charitable giving in graduate school, 10 years ago. I have to admit I probably would have hated what I have to say in this book."[4]

Compassionate conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is the study that Brooks bases most of his opinions on when it comes to sociological trends:

General Social Survey
 

smokydot

Well-Known Member
Then why do most conservatives resist "sharing" it with the less fortunate? Isn't that what jesus did? All I see is that the Repubs in office hoarding more and more money for the rich, while they claim themselves as being religious at the same time. Oxymoron no?
Money is not the root of all evil . . .love of money is the root of all evil (1Tim 6:10).
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Willingness to do evil is the root of all evil.
To rehash prior posts....priests didn't rape children because of money.
 

ninerbuff

godless wonder
Willingness to do evil is the root of all evil.
To rehash prior posts....priests didn't rape children because of money.
I don't disagree here. I'm just saying that if money is considered the root of all evil, then the conservatives that have it shouldn't be unwilling to help make sure it's not hoarded by just the rich.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't disagree here. I'm just saying that if money is considered the root of all evil, then the conservatives that have it shouldn't be unwilling to help make sure it's not hoarded by just the rich.
Who says conservatives believe that money is the root of all evil?
If some do, they certainly don't speak for all. If anything, tis the
lefties in this forum who seem to decry money as evil.
 

ninerbuff

godless wonder
Who says conservatives believe that money is the root of all evil?
If some do, they certainly don't speak for all. If anything, tis the
lefties in this forum who seem to decry money as evil.
The term, "money is the root of all evil" comes from the bible. Most conservatives in the US are religious which is why they are against things like abortion, stem cell research, same sex marriage, etc.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The term, "money is the root of all evil" comes from the bible. Most conservatives in the US are religious which is why they are against things like abortion, stem cell research, same sex marriage, etc.
It sounds like you're over-generalizing about what Bible fanciers believe.
 
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