If Paul's books are wrong than so are

[gwk230]

Paul changed the apparent direction of what many thought would be God's direction in the OT.

Question. What was the apparent direction that many thought was the direction of Elohim in the OT you say Shaul changed and what do you say he changed it to?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

It has nothing to do with what is wanted. Paul says things that are obviously contradictory to certain Tanakh concepts.

Jesus doesn't fit the requirements for Messiah because of what I want, but because he just doesn't fit the requirements. It's not a matter of who wants what, but a matter of what is.

Do you know how clsoed minded that is? If that was SOOO true as you claim, there would not have been any Christian movement.

You see I am willing to consider Judaism and learn from it, but the bitterness the comes the other way makes me feel something is wrong there.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Question. What was the apparent direction that many thought was the direction of Elohim in the OT you say Shaul changed and what do you say he changed it to?

For example, it was originally hoped that Christ would be a ruler on this earth and setup a "government" to rule. Paul teach as well as Jesus in the Gospels of something much different.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Why, he is just another person like Amos or Isaiah or anyone else in the stream of people God has spoken too.
We chose to call things OT and NT, we humans broke the stream of God's message into this divide right?

By this reasoning you should accept the writings of everyone God supposedly talked to. Muhammad, Joseph Smith, etc...
And put them all in one big book.

 

[Storm]

Does not God connect them? I am not understanding your point, sorry

Not in my view, no.

 

[fantome profane]

all the other books in the OT. Thus making the whole bible suspect!

Paul changed the apparent direction of what many thought would be God's direction in the OT. Is this the only reason people bash on him and his books?

As the story goes he got his revelation just as many of the people did in the OT. So what is it? Is it the message the turns "OT only" students off?

Thanks.

Do you also accept the Quran? If you don’t accept the Quran, why not? As the story goes Mohammad received a revelation just like the Paul, and just like the prophets in the OT. If you reject the revelation written in this book, then the revelations written in the other books become suspect, at least according to your logic. But do they?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

By this reasoning you should accept the writings of everyone God supposedly talked to. Muhammad, Joseph Smith, etc...
And put them all in one big book.

NOT TUMBLEWEED, just kidding. What's up man.

I do until proven otherwise.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Not in my view, no.

Than you must explain. What allows storm to draw the line in the sand and think she is write?

Thanks...

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Do you also accept the Quran? If you don’t accept the Quran, why not? As the story goes Mohammad received a revelation just like the Paul, and just like the prophets in the OT. If you reject the revelation written in this book, then the revelations written in the other books become suspect, at least according to your logic. But do they?

Thank you, I do accept ANYTHING that says it is from God, I then study it and make my judgment. Not the otherway around.

 

[Storm]

Than you must explain. What allows storm to draw the line in the sand and think she is write?

Thanks...

What allows you to?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

What allows you to?

I don't draw the line in the sand until I have given it all a chance.
In the end it is what we believe to be God's message and purpose. If something fits that it stays, if it doesn't it goes.

All we can do right?

 

[Storm]

I don't draw the line in the sand until I have given it all a chance.
In the end it is what we believe to be God's message and purpose. If something fits that it stay if it doesn't it goes.

All we can do right?

Precisely. So, why do you have a problem when I do it?

 

[Riverwolf]

So why not disagree with say, Ruth, or Psalms, or Judges?
Maybe you do, but I thought I would ask! Thanks...

Ruth and Judges are stories; what's to disagree with?
The psalms are songs of praise; again, what's to disagree with?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Precisely. So, why do you have a problem when I do it?

Because my dear I am being pushy to see how far you have gone BEFORE you drew the line in the sand.
Just the way I am I guess.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Ruth and Judges are stories; what's to disagree with?
The psalms are songs of praise; again, what's to disagree with?

That they were ALL inspired by God.

 

[Storm]

Because my dear I am being pushy to see how far you have gone BEFORE you drew the line in the sand.
Just the way I am I guess.

I didn't "draw a line in the sand."

 

[fantome profane]

Thank you, I do accept ANYTHING that says it is from God, I then study it and make my judgment. Not the otherway around.

Interesting answer. So if someone reads the books of Paul, studies them, and then makes the judgment that they are not from “God” that is no different than what you do. Right? This doesn’t mean that they must reject the OT.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I didn't "draw a line in the sand."

How so? you are comfortable with the OT being part of God's message according to Judaism, but not Paul's. You did draw a line, and I was being pushy to see why and how much you have actually studied them.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Interesting answer. So if someone reads the books of Paul, studies them, and then makes the judgment that they are not from “God” that is no different than what you do. Right? This doesn’t mean that they must reject the OT.

Oh of course. I hope I did not imply something different.
I personally believe our very lives depend on getting it right, hence my reason for yacking about it all the time.

 

[tumbleweed41]

NOT TUMBLEWEED, just kidding. What's up man.

I do until proven otherwise.

You do?
You accept that God told Mohamed that Jesus was only a prophet? That the Bible is full of flaws, and that is why God had Mohamed write the Quran? If not, why not?
You accept that God told Joseph Smith that Jesus and Satan are brothers? That salvation for the woman depends on her husband? If not, why not?