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[TheKnight]

That is just it, we can not please God. The moment we accept that is the moment we truly lose self.

This is the fundamental difference between our beliefs. The fact that you believe we cannot please God and I believe that we can.

I ask you this then, if we cannot please God, then how does it work to His pleasure to create us?

 

[gwk230]

As the publican stood in the book of Luke and did not as much as lift his head up, but smote his breast and said God forgive me I am a sinner.

That is the servitude God wants, he wants to be the one who does ALL the work for our salvation. So as soon as we try to observe some sacrifice or offering, we take away from what he has done for us, and this makes him very sad.

So asking for forgiveness for our sins is servitude to you?

 

[Wookiemonster]

I dunno ask him? That is what he says,that everything he does is for his good pleasure and purpose.
Why does he need this world for his pleasure? Isn't that taking us back to the clay asking the potter why have you done this or that?

To me the bible teaches he created this world for his own pleasure and purpose, and is not a respector of persons. However, if I only have the OT as a basis to understand what that means, I could never know the end of his purpose.
As it is, I do know the end of his purpose, it is to bring his people back to himself on a new heaven and a new earth. Which for God should not be a problem at all.

That is just it, we can not please God. The moment we accept that is the moment we truly lose self.
It is only by his grace that He is saving a group of people to do with what He will do with them in the world to come.
As long as we feel we have some part or action in this grand plan of God's we miss the entire purpose.

The hard part for us as humans is we want to feel significant somehow and that our actions somehow justify our relationship with God. However God demands something even greater than that, which is why he gave us laws we could never fulfill.

It is this thinking that I can do this or that and be right with God, that makes God very jealous because he want to be the one to save us, he wants us to realize the Law is too much, otherwise we take His glory away and what he did through His son. It is really quite sad, you and I have such polar opposite ideas, because we both desire to represent God's love to each other.

We need to just sit back in awe, and pray for forgiveness for our arrogant assumptions, that he needs us to feel pleasure.

Do you realize that the three highlighted statements don't agree and that you directly contradicted yourself?

 

[gwk230]

The law cannot be done?

Luk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judah, a certain Priest named Zekharyah, of the priestly division of Aviyah. He had a wife of the daughters of Aharon, and her name was Elisheva.
Luk 1:6 They were both righteous before Elohim, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and ordinances of YAH.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

This is the fundamental difference between our beliefs. The fact that you believe we cannot please God and I believe that we can.

I ask you this then, if we cannot please God, then how does it work to His pleasure to create us?

It works to his pleasure because not only did he create us and allow us to experience evil he had a plan from the very begining to show his select people just the greatness of his Love.
So you see to me, he does not need our effort to please him, he is trying to show us how he Loves us.
The bigger question is WHY? Why would he love us if we are so bad? That is the beautiful thing about my God, because while I was dead in my sins, he Loved me anyway, for his own pleasure.

What more can I say about my God, he is my saviour and my everything, for no reason other than he wants to Love me. This is the reason I bow everyday and every moment I can in my heart, to the point of tears, because I know I don't deserve it.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

So asking for forgiveness for our sins is servitude to you?

Yes because in the Law I was dead, but now I have my Christ and I don't deserve it, so I ask for forgiveness. Confessing I need him for EVERYTHING.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Do you realize that the three highlighted statements don't agree and that you directly contradicted yourself?

That is what he says,that everything he does is for his good pleasure and purpose.

To me the bible teaches he created this world for his own pleasure and purpose

We need to just sit back in awe, and pray for forgiveness for our arrogant assumptions, that he needs us to feel pleasure

These are pretty tight to me, where is the contradiction. Read carefully, cause I promise these are cohesive. Maybe you just misunderstand what I have wrote.

 

[gwk230]

Yes because in the Law I was dead, but now I have my Christ and I don't deserve it, so I ask for forgiveness. Confessing I need him for EVERYTHING.

What are you asking forgiveness for?

 

[TheKnight]

It works to his pleasure because not only did he create us and allow us to experience evil he had a plan from the very begining to show his select people just the greatness of his Love.
So you see to me, he does not need our effort to please him, he is trying to show us how he Loves us.
The bigger question is WHY? Why would he love us if we are so bad? That is the beautiful thing about my God, because while I was dead in my sins, he Loved me anyway, for his own pleasure.

What more can I say about my God, he is my saviour and my everything, for no reason other than he wants to Love me. This is the reason I bow everyday and every moment I can in my heart, to the point of tears, because I know I don't deserve it.

I see. I suppose that what we believe are just so different in nature...My only hope is that your realize that what we believe is different and not the same.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

The law cannot be done?

Luk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judah, a certain Priest named Zekharyah, of the priestly division of Aviyah. He had a wife of the daughters of Aharon, and her name was Elisheva.
Luk 1:6 They were both righteous before Elohim, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and ordinances of YAH.

My friend, this is explained in that they were already saved. In other words, if you have been forgiven your sins, you are found righteous before God. This does not imply they followed the law perfectly, the bible would never support such an idea.

 

[Riverwolf]

Asking for forgiveness is useless if you don't make the effort to change and become a better person.

 

[Wookiemonster]

These are pretty tight to me, where is the contradiction. Read carefully, cause I promise these are cohesive. Maybe you just misunderstand what I have wrote.

If everything G-d does is for his pleasure.

And your bible teaches that this world (and everything in it) was created for his pleasure.

How then is it arragonance to assume that G-d needs us for his pleasure.

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[Just_me_Mike]

What are you asking forgiveness for?

For all my sins I have commited and all I will commit.
I am asking to go to heaven, even though I don't deserve it.
I am asking to learn how to Love God, and love my neighbor and love myself.
You see for a long time I thought that to love my neighbor or myself meant I wanted gain for them and myself so that we were blessed on this earth.

However I have learned greater that gain in this life make Loving God harder, so to truly love your neighbor as yourself means to disregard all desire except to Love God, and hope that for your neighbor too.

 

[gwk230]

My friend, this is explained in that they were already saved. In other words, if you have been forgiven your sins, you are found righteous before God. This does not imply they followed the law perfectly, the bible would never support such an idea.

I'm not quite sure how you got........

they were already saved

By reading.......

walking blamelessly in all the commandments and ordinances of YAH.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I see. I suppose that what we believe are just so different in nature...My only hope is that your realize that what we believe is different and not the same.

I do realize we believe in a different God. Most won't admit that, but that really is what is happening.
We can only pray for each other.

 

[Wookiemonster]

Asking for forgiveness is useless if you don't make the effort to change and become a better person.

Not according to itwillend. All we can do is ask, becuase we can't do anything...it's all up to G-d...

...Which leads to doing what the hell ever you want...

...becuase we can't get it right no matter what and it all hings on asking rather than doing....

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I'm not quite sure how you got........



By reading.......

walking blamelessly in all the commandments and ordinances of YAH.

The same way Abraham was justified. He was justified by his faith. So were the father and mother of John the Baptist. Salvation has never changed from the beginning of the world, we become saved by faith in God. Not by the law. So if they were found righteous, it was because of their faith in God and his salvation.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Not according to itwillend. All we can do is ask, becuase we can't do anything...it's all up to G-d...

...Which leads to doing what the hell ever you want...

...becuase we can't get it right no matter what and it all hings on asking rather than doing....

AMEN and that way ALL THE GLORY goes to God and none to ourselves.

 

[Wookiemonster]

The same way Abraham was justified. He was justified by his faith. So were the father and mother of John the Baptist. Salvation has never changed from the beginning of the world, we become saved by faith in God. Not by the law. So if they were found righteous, it was because of their faith in God and his salvation.

Quote me one verse in the Tanakh that says Abraham was justified by his faith rather than his adherance to the law....

 

[gwk230]

For all my sins I have commited and all I will commit.

What is sin to you?

I am asking to learn how to Love God

Oh thats an easy one.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of Elohim, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.