If Russia Invades, What should NATO Do?

[F1fan]

Smurfs???

Light blue helmets on UN soldiers. It's an insulting term.

 

[F1fan]

Kinda like what Britain and France did when
Germany annexed Czechslovakia.
Peace in our time, I believe they culled it

Yes, that was Chamberlin's deal and made a big deal of it, but it was just a ruse that bought Hitler time. It was considered a massive error of judgment.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Who is "they"? I'm guessing "they" isn't Putin and his aggressiveness that needs to stop? Have you not read history, namely what happened in Europe in the late 30's?

What I find odd about conservatives is that they always cry about independence and autonomy, unless it is a threat by an authoritarian, and then there's no interest.


Because trump was a corrupt president, much like Putin. Something was going on between them, no one knows what.


Because the Democrats you list honor Ukraine's autonomy and democracy? The West values democracy and ethics. Putin is an autocrat, he doesn't have to be accountable to the citizens, and he poses a great threat to stability in Europe. That is on Putin.

It doesn't matter your politics, and this is a completely different era. If a power gets rubbed the wrong way, there is a line somewhere beyond which you, F1fan, wake up in a nuclear fire. This is not the 30's

So what I think we should do, is trust that globalism will eventually bind power, somehow and in a way that I can't currently predict

 

[George-ananda]

Light blue helmets on UN soldiers. It's an insulting term.

Got it. They probably prefer Communist dictatorships to the western countries. Or everything associated with America is bad, right.

Know that attitude.

 

[Shaul]

1) Establish alternative natural gas and fuel lines to Europe not controlled by Russia. (Added benefits of removing dependency and deprives the Kremlin of sorely needed income)
2) Supply Ukraine with all the materiel they want.
3) Call Russia’s bluff.
If Russia invades make the Ukraine a quagmire for them. No need for external troops.

But this won’t happen because Putin and Biden are buddies. Plus Biden is a wimp. (I would use a stronger word but restrain myself)

 

[Leahpolitan_icecream]

Per the question in the title of this OP, what do you think should be done by NATO if Russia launches a full-scale assault on the Ukraine? How about your personal response to such an attack?

Nothing

Leave it alone leave it all alone they will end the world for nothing its just Ukraine

 

[Audie]

Yes, that was Chamberlin's deal and made a big deal of it, but it was just a ruse that bought Hitler time. It was considered a massive error of judgment.

One of a whole series of weak kneed
appeasements.

But then russia has nukes

 

[F1fan]

1) Establish alternative natural gas and fuel lines to Europe not controlled by Russia. (Added benefits of removing dependency and deprives the Kremlin of sorely needed income)

That would be crucial. But it is a very good leverage for the NATO nations because Russia does need the money.

2) Supply Ukraine with all the materiel they want.
3) Call Russia’s bluff.
If Russia invades make the Ukraine a quagmire for them. No need for external troops.

Ukraine does have an excellent military and Russia would have its hands full. But then a war would destroy the resource of Ukraine that Putin wants.

But this won’t happen because Putin and Biden are buddies. Plus Biden is a wimp. (I would use a stronger word but restrain myself)

You're thinking of trump here. Biden is no friend of Putin, nor a wimp. The advantage we have with Biden is his experience, and credible diplomats.

 

[F1fan]

One of a whole series of weak kneed
appeasements.

But then russia has nukes

Which is why a quick and decisive diplomatic response is crucial. Biden was in contact with many leaders of Europe today and this suggests a very strong alliance who Putin will have to consider if he opts to invade. Putin needs to maintain business cooperation with europe and if he sabotages this relationship over Ukraine he will be in a worse situation even if he gains control.

 

[Shaul]

That would be crucial. But it is a very good leverage for the NATO nations because Russia does need the money.


Ukraine does have an excellent military and Russia would have its hands full. But then a war would destroy the resource of Ukraine that Putin wants.


You're thinking of trump here. Biden is no friend of Putin, nor a wimp. The advantage we have with Biden is his experience, and credible diplomats.

No, I got it right. Biden and Putin are best buddies. It was Biden that let Russia off the hook for sanctions on its new pipeline earlier this year. He gave Putin a huge gift and undercut Europe’s independence from Russia. As for Biden’s experience, it only demonstrates he is an incompetent. Former Defense Secretary Gates was right saying Biden has been “wrong on most foreign policy issues" in the past 40 years.

 

[We Never Know]

Which is why a quick and decisive diplomatic response is crucial. Biden was in contact with many leaders of Europe today and this suggests a very strong alliance who Putin will have to consider if he opts to invade. Putin needs to maintain business cooperation with europe and if he sabotages this relationship over Ukraine he will be in a worse situation even if he gains control.

When **** hits the fan, many who say you can count on me, cant be counted on.

 

[We Never Know]

If you can get away with it. The more a person gets away with, the more they will want.

Exactly my point

 

[Audie]

Which is why a quick and decisive diplomatic response is crucial. Biden was in contact with many leaders of Europe today and this suggests a very strong alliance who Putin will have to consider if he opts to invade. Putin needs to maintain business cooperation with europe and if he sabotages this relationship over Ukraine he will be in a worse situation even if he gains control.

Bet he does it.

 

[F1fan]

No, I got it right. Biden and Putin are best buddies. It was Biden that let Russia off the hook for sanctions on its new pipeline earlier this year. He gave Putin a huge gift and undercut Europe’s independence from Russia. As for Biden’s experience, it only demonstrates he is an incompetent. Former Defense Secretary Gates was right saying Biden has been “wrong on most foreign policy issues" in the past 40 years.

Your assessment is this makes them buddies?

Putin is dangerous, and allowing him certain concessions is a way to keep the danger down. Perhaps you should argue that Putin has gained confidence that he can get away with more aggressive actions, you might have a point. But I doubt Biden will roll over now.

 

[F1fan]

When **** hits the fan, many who say you can count on me, cant be counted on.

Kind of like when trump said he'd meet his followers at the Capitol after his speech the morning of Jan 6, but instead went to a party.

Europe has its back against the wall. Biden is committed to them as allies.

 

[Audie]

Your assessment is this makes them buddies?

Putin is dangerous, and allowing him certain concessions is a way to keep the danger down. Perhaps you should argue that Putin has gained confidence that he can get away with more aggressive actions, you might have a point. But I doubt Biden will roll over now.

If he does, others will get the message

He seems so feckless.

I wish the USA had a real man for president.

 

[F1fan]

If he does, others will get the message

He seems so feckless.

I wish the USA had a real man for president.

Give us an example of a real man.

 

[Audie]

Give us an example of a real man.

If there is such an American i dont know who it is.

Out of 350 million people theres gotta be someone better than biden and trump

 

[Stonetree]

If he does, others will get the message

He seems so feckless.

I wish the USA had a real man for president.

It's not fear for oneself necessarily, I'm referring to decision makers, it's lives of many are at stake. Not an easy burden to carry.

 

[Stonetree]

No, I got it right. Biden and Putin are best buddies. It was Biden that let Russia off the hook for sanctions on its new pipeline earlier this year. He gave Putin a huge gift and undercut Europe’s independence from Russia. As for Biden’s experience, it only demonstrates he is an incompetent. Former Defense Secretary Gates was right saying Biden has been “wrong on most foreign policy issues" in the past 40 years.

I'm betting Gates was right on every issue ,in his own judgement....go figure (I did respect Gates, tho)