If the Bible is so primitive, why can't Historians come up with their own Bible?

[shunyadragon]

Advanced technology -compared to human technology in existence at the time -not only the working/construction of the wheels, but their being controlled by the spirit of the living creatures -is specified. I mean futuristic inasmuch as those sorts of things are often thought of as futuristic -could not be accomplished by men then -but possibly in the future, etc.
Futuristic -"having or involving very modern technology or design" -could certainly describe Ezekiel's wheels from his perspective.

15Now as I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them.d 16As for the appearance of the wheels and their construction: their appearance was like the gleaming of beryl. And the four had the same likeness, their appearance and construction being as it were a wheel within a wheel. 17When they went, they went in any of their four directionsewithout turning as they went. 18And their rims were tall and awesome, and the rims of all four were full of eyes all around. 19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures rose from the earth, the wheels rose.20Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, and the wheels rose along with them, for the spirit of the living creaturesf was in the wheels. 21When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those rose from the earth, the wheels rose along with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

Sounds like a plot for 1950s scifi.

 

[ChristineM]

No, don't believe the hype he is special only because people who don't want God Magic got their shill in a disabled guy who out of his disability hated God. If he affirmed God in his work, you would never hear from this guy and he would not be revered.

He didn't hate god, he simply understood that bronze age mythology and magic were not required

 

[shunyadragon]

Salam, Salam now you are genius. You got your little award now let's have a discussion.

@Jayhawker Soule beat me to the face palm.

You can begin by explaining this:

"But since the Bible was written hundreds of thousands of years ago, ..."

 

[SomeRandom]

No, don't believe the hype he is special only because people who don't want God Magic got their shill in a disabled guy who out of his disability hated God. If he affirmed God in his work, you would never hear from this guy and he would not be revered.

Wow okay ignoring your jab at a freaking disabled man (seriously?) and your arrogant dismissal of accomplishments made that far surpasses anything either of us will ever do in our lifetimes. If not believing in God is a supposed requirement for being "revered" in science, then kindly explain why the early scientists who happened to be some flavour of religious are still held in very high regard to this day?

 

[SomeRandom]

Your image of hell is the result of the painting of Hieronymus Bosch and writings of Dante Alighieri in the 14th century. Good to know you base your torture of those you don't like on popular art and a comedy

Id prefer religion to be open and honest

Hehe good old Dante. Every time I try to envision him all I can think of is a guy with a "Virgil's number one fan" shirt trying desperately to get his autograph.

 

[Justme1981]

Wow really seeing the Christian love and the teachings of Jesus through your post about how I deserve eternal hell fire for....disagreeing with you? Not being a Chrstian? Actually why do I deserve to suffer an eternity of hell exactly? I never said anything about believing or not believing anything based on the assumed simplicity of people. I merely countered your claims trying to position a text as advanced when it's not. Ain't nothing wrong with a simple text though. Never claimed such a thing.
But see this is what I was referring to when I said that I tend to see people become Athiests because of the actions of certain Christians. The hubris and just how easy it is for some (not all) to declare that a stranger, who's life and own suffering you don't know a lick about, deserves eternal damnation and torture. It can come across as rather callous and sociopathic. Just offering a perspective here.
And please correct me if I'm wrong here, even the Pope doesn't seem to consider Hell to be an actual literal place. At least based on what he's stated to the public as of late. So the threats of hellfire I seem to encounter are even less impressive than they were before. I dunno, I just never gelled well with the Abrahamic notion of emotionally blackmailing people into believing in the Lord Jesus.

I meant universal You, not you in particular. A person who is misled by small ideas from greater truths because small minded people shadow over that truth, deserve Hell. That's how I would rewrite that line.

 

[Justme1981]

Your image of hell is the result of the painting of Hieronymus Bosch and writings of Dante Alighieri in the 14th century. Good to know you base your torture of those you don't like on popular art and a comedy

Id prefer religion to be open and honest

No, my image of Hell is based on the Eagles Hotel California and David Lynch Movies, Apocalypse Now, and possibly Jacobs ladder.

Here I wrote a thread on it in music section you may want to read for further clarify.

Hotel California A Glimpse in to Hell (I've got a few of these)

 

[Justme1981]

Wow okay ignoring your jab at a freaking disabled man (seriously?) and your arrogant dismissal of accomplishments made that far surpasses anything either of us will ever do in our lifetimes. If not believing in God is a supposed requirement for being "revered" in science, then kindly explain why the early scientists who happened to be some flavour of religious are still held in very high regard to this day?

Hey, friend this leads to a new thread but...I don't do anything wrong in life at all but I just may end up in Hell for being a jerk. Here is why I explore it in this thread. Hey, if I end up in Hell I know God has a plan for me there.

Hotel California A Glimpse in to Hell (I've got a few of these)

 

[SomeRandom]

I meant universal You, not you in particular. A person who is misled by small ideas from greater truths because small minded people shadow over that truth, deserve Hell. That's how I would rewrite that line.

That's....... not a whole lot better. In essence you're saying people deserve to go to Hell because they believe the lies, as it were. Eternal hellfire is a rather harsh punishment for gullibility, if you like. Again it's this easy callous dismissal of people burning in Hell over petty grievances that people can easily perceive as sociopathic. I could understand the sentiment if they were like a mass murderer or something.

 

[SomeRandom]

Hey, friend this leads to a new thread but...I don't do anything wrong in life at all but I just may end up in Hell for being a jerk. Here is why I explore it in this thread. Hey, if I end up in Hell I know God has a plan for me there.

Hotel California A Glimpse in to Hell (I've got a few of these)

Perhaps you could go ice skating around Satan. (Those who get the reference, give yourselves a hug!)

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Salam, Salam now you are genius. You got your little award now let's have a discussion.

Sorry, but I'm not sure your rewards are all that credible. Thanks anyway.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No, Hell is for everyone and it's not my responsibility to "Save" anyone. I'm a Catholic not an Evangelical. I prefer if our religion was smaller, not bigger, with no Converts like Judaism.

Anyone who believes they can enjoy heaven, while knowing full well that others are languishing in an infinite torture-pit?

Is just as much of a sociopath as the monster they believe created it.

 

[Kartari]

Hi Justme,

Are you capable of discussion?

I apologize. I shouldn't have posted that. Carry on.

 

[TruePathFinder]

Untrue. First of all, the Bible isnt a book. Second, in what way are the writings “questionable?” They seem just as much writings as any other writing. Third, which writers are “imposters?” Imposters of what, exactly? Who sets that standard for authenticity? Fourth, not all Christians make that claim of coherency; usually just the literalists. Fifth, what claims does the NT make that are “false?”

I agree with you it is not worthy of being called a book. The writings are questionable because they claim to be a logical conclusion to what happens in the ot. They claim that there are prophecies in the ot that point to what happens in the nt. These are manufactured. All the writers of the new testament are impostors. All preachers and teachers in christian churches are impostors. They claim that a messiah is jesus. The jewish say the messiah hasn't arrived yet.
The ot is full of nonsense too, but the christians are impostors. They claim something is a part of their spiritual heritage which is not.

 

[TruePathFinder]

How would you feel if someone made your precious document theirs?
Islam claims that moses was one of their prophets and jesus was not god's son. Nonsense right?

 

[shunyadragon]

How would you feel if someone made your precious document theirs?
Islam claims that moses was one of their prophets and jesus was not god's son. Nonsense right?

Nonsense or whatever that has been the history of scripture in many cultures of the world, and by the way our literature evolved the same way, beginning with oral story telling to the first written stories. The heritage of Hebrew scriptures is rooted in Babylonian, Canaanite and Ugarit literature on cuneiform tablets.

So what?!?!?!
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[ChristineM]

No, my image of Hell is based on the Eagles Hotel California and David Lynch Movies, Apocalypse Now, and possibly Jacobs ladder.

Here I wrote a thread on it in music section you may want to read for further clarify.

Hotel California A Glimpse in to Hell (I've got a few of these)

So you threaten people with music... Cool

 

[TruePathFinder]

Nonsense or whatever that has been the history of scripture in many cultures of the world, and by the way our literature evolved the same way, beginning with oral story telling to the first written stories. The heritage of Hebrew scriptures is rooted in Babylonian, Canaanite and Ugarit literature on cuneiform tablets.

So what?!?!?!
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Which makes it false and nothing special. A written document that was forged in falsehood. Not even worth reading. The Christian bible is not even original. That is what.

 

[sojourner]

I agree with you it is not worthy of being called a book

It’s a collection of texts. So what?

The writings are questionable because they claim to be a logical conclusion to what happens in the o

No. They don’t.

They claim that there are prophecies in the ot that point to what happens in the n

There are some claims, yes.

These are manufactured

It’s all “manufactured,” because it’s all created by human beings. So what?

. All the writers of the new testament are impostors

What are the writers pretending to be that they’re not?

All preachers and teachers in christian churches are impostors

I resemble that remark. Watch who you’re talking to and curb your enthusiasm.

They claim that a messiah is jesus

Yes, we do. That’s our prerogative.

The jewish say the messiah hasn't arrived yet

Yes, they do. That’s their prerogative.

The ot is full of nonsense too, but the christians are impostors

What are we pretending to be that we’re not?

They claim something is a part of their spiritual heritage which is not

It most certainly is.

I think Someone’s a little bitter.

 

[sojourner]

Which makes it false and nothing special. A written document that was forged in falsehood. Not even worth reading. The Christian bible is not even original. That is what.

All documents are written. All mythic stories have their basis in something else. I have yet to see you prove that it’s “false.”

Your post has all the logical argumentative power of a 3-year-old: “NUH-UH!!”
Find a real argument and stop trolling up the bandwidth with your puerile nonsense.