If there is a hell, what percentage of humans should go there?

[YoursTrue]

National Enquirer, lol.
I'll take your personal experience over the Bible any day.

Perhaps others will too. Thanks again because it does help to figure a few things out about people and beliefs.

 

[YoursTrue]

Just becaue God knows everything that has ever happened, what is happening now, and everything that is ever going to happen in the future, that does not mean God intends for it to happen (causes it to happen). There is no logical connection between knowledge and causation.

When you die, then, the only entity responsible for your crimes is you, since you have free will to choose and you chose to commit those crimes.

Because we are not in a game of acting out God's intentions, we are acting our own intentions according to what we choose with our free will.

No, your conduct is not God's conduct, it is your conduct, and you are accountable to God for it. Whether God punishes anyone is another matter.

You have your opinion and others have theirs.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I know that is what you look forward to but I am sorry to say that none of that is supported by the Bible.

Daniel 12:13 has dead Daniel ' resting in death ' but will later 'stand up'
Martha believed her brother would rise be resurrected on the last day - John 11:24 - Jesus only performed physical resurrections.
The Last Day (John 6:40, 44) is Jesus coming 1,000 Year Day governing (Not over Heaven) but governing over Earth.
Job believed he would come back to life again - Job 14:13.
ALL the OT resurrections performed were physical resurrections - 1st Kings 17:21-22; 2nd Kings 4:22-37; 2nd Kings 13:20-21
Abraham's faith was in a physical resurrection for son Isaac - Hebrews 11:17-19
ALL this is in harmony with the word resurrection which means: standing up.
I recall one woman who had a rocker in the basement and said she was going down to resurrect the rocking chair.
In other words, she understood the word resurrect for the rocker would mean bringing the rocker back up stairs to ' live' again.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

National Enquirer, lol.
I'll take your personal experience over the Bible any day.

Over the past fifteen years, I've spoken to many people, including some Christians, who came to believe in psychic mediumship after I revealed private information known only to them and their deceased loved ones. I've never met anyone who walked away after our encounter still skeptical of psychic mediums and the paranormal. Some of the reactions stand out more than others, such as those of a psychologist, therapists, and medical doctors who were convinced that my mediumship was genuine after I revealed personal information that I couldn't have known otherwise. I'll never forget the look on people's faces and their shocked reactions when I give them a reading, especially if they were skeptical of the paranormal when we first started talking.

Anyway, as you know, this past weekend was rather eventful for me, and I was able to help a few lost and confused spirits cross over into the spirit world. Some of the spirits I helped cross over had been there for many years. As usual, there were spirits who were very confused and angry that they weren't in heaven, where they thought they would be after their death. It saddens me that there are so many earthbound human spirits like that, particularly children, teenagers, and young adults, like the spirit of the young girl I told you about in one of your threads here. I will say that the spirits of children, teenagers, and young adults are a little bit easier to persuade to cross over, though. They haven't had years to think about and constantly dwell on why they haven't crossed over into the spirit world and aren't in heaven yet, as they believed and expected to be after death. To be honest, it's daunting to think about how human spirits there are who are either stuck and unable to cross over or refuse to cross over, and it's heartbreaking to realize that I cannot help them all.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Just because God knows everything that has ever happened, what is happening now, and everything that is ever going to happen in the future, that does not mean God intends for it to happen (causes it to happen). There is no logical connection between knowledge and causation.
When you die, then, the only entity responsible for your crimes is you, since you have free will to choose and you chose to commit those crimes.
Because we are not in a game of acting out God's intentions, we are acting our own intentions according to what we choose with our free will.
No, your conduct is not God's conduct, it is your conduct, and you are accountable to God for it. Whether God punishes anyone is another matter.

Everything (?) but God does Not know the ' un-known number ' as mentioned at Rev. 7:9,14
Yes, agree we are accountable for our own conduct because each person is drawn out by one's own desire - James 1:13-15
One's 'death' is: is stamped as the total complete Paid-In-Full asking price tag for one's sins - Romans 6:23,7
Not death plus any post-mortem punishment, No double jeopardy for the dead.
Resurrection is for both the righteous and unrighteous, the just and unjust - Acts 24:15
( Seems as if some newer translations have taken the liberty to change 'unrighteous or unjust' to wrongly use the word wicked in verse 15 )
The wicked are ' destroyed forever ' according to Psalm 92:7; Psalm 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22
Even wicked sinner Satan will be ' destroyed ' by Jesus - Hebrews 2:14 B

 

[blü 2]

Foreseeing what was going to happen does not cause it to happen.

No, but it shows God's intention at the time [he] created the universe with perfect knowledge of everything that would ever happen in it as a result of [his] act of creation.

Had [he] wanted anything different to happen ─ had [he] wanted me to write "occur" instead of "happen" in the previous para ─ [he] would have make the universe in a slightly different fashion. Omnipotence, omniscience and perfection are all you need. (Indeed, if you're omnipotent, you can make yourself omniscient and perfect with two snaps of the fingers.)

 

[Muffled]

Whether you think it's just or not, the whole idea of a "remedy" implies something wrong with God's creation. If there's something wrong with God's creation, this reflects on God's abilities as a creator.

Edit: who is a better clockmaker? One whose clock runs accurately forever, or one whose clock needs occasional adjustments to get it to keep time?

God created everything good. It was a satan that brought in evil.

 

[Muffled]

Most cling to the concept of hell due to an emotional need for the sadistic gratification they receive from the imagined comeuppance.

I believe that is not so. I believe most Christians believe in Hell because Jesus proclaimed it to be so.

 

[Muffled]

Jesus did not answer that He was born to be a king. Jesus answered: Thou sayest that I am a king.
After that Jesus told Pilate the reason that He was born and came into the world, so that He could bear witness to the truth about God..

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

However that was not a denial that He is a king either. His claim to be the Messiah implies that He is also king. The crowd knew; they said: "We will not have this man rule over us"

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

God created everything good. It was a satan that brought in evil.

Who is a better clockmaker: one who recognizes that rats will try to get into their clock and gum up the works and so designs the clock to be impermeable to rats, or one who doesn't know (or decides not to care) about the rats and does nothing to keep the clock running in the environment that they ought to have known the clock would be subjected to?

 

[Trailblazer]

God created everything good. It was a satan that brought in evil.

God created everything good. It was a humans that brought in evil.

 

[Trailblazer]

However that was not a denial that He is a king either. His claim to be the Messiah implies that He is also king. The crowd knew; they said: "We will not have this man rule over us"

Jesus was a king, but not an earthly king, as His kingdom was not of this world.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

“The Throne upon which He sat is the Eternal Throne from which Christ reigns for ever, a heavenly throne, not an earthly one, for the things of earth pass away but heavenly things pass not away. He re-interpreted and completed the Law of Moses and fulfilled the Law of the Prophets. His word conquered the East and the West. His Kingdom is everlasting.”

Abdu'l-Baha, Paris Talks

 

[cataway]

Jesus was a king, but not an earthly king, as His kingdom was not of this world.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

“The Throne upon which He sat is the Eternal Throne from which Christ reigns for ever, a heavenly throne, not an earthly one, for the things of earth pass away but heavenly things pass not away. He re-interpreted and completed the Law of Moses and fulfilled the Law of the Prophets. His word conquered the East and the West. His Kingdom is everlasting.”

Abdu'l-Baha, Paris Talks

what does "world " mean to you?

 

[YoursTrue]

Daniel 12:13 has dead Daniel ' resting in death ' but will later 'stand up'

@Trailblazer -- do you believe that?

 

[Trailblazer]

what does "world " mean to you?

In the context of what is in my post world means Earth, since this world is Earth.

 

[Trailblazer]

@Trailblazer -- do you believe that?

@URAVIP2ME said: Daniel 12:13 has dead Daniel ' resting in death ' but will later 'stand up'

No, I do not believe this verse means that Daniel will rise from the dead, which is the implication of what @URAVIP2ME said.

You need to read the whole chapter in order to understand what the last verse means.
I picked out the most important verses, the ones that are needed to understand Dan 12:13.

Daniel Chapter 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the Bible has been a big problem since the very beginning. Christians disagreed as to what the Bible meant and that is why there are so many different sects of Christianity. I believe that Christians have misinterpreted much of the Bible because they did not have the key to unlock the meaning, and that is understandable because it was prophesied in Daniel 12 that the Book would be sealed up until the time of the end, meaning nobody would really understand it.

Note that Dan 12:13 says "at the end of the days.” This chapter is about what will happen at the time of the end, when Christ returns.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

The 2,300 years came in 1844 and the book was unsealed by Baha’u’llah. That math is explained in Some Answered Questions, 10: TRADITIONAL PROOFS EXEMPLIFIED FROM THE BOOK OF DANIEL

Unsealing the Book means we can now understand what much of the Bible means that could never be understood before by reading the Baha’i Writings.

 

[YoursTrue]

@URAVIP2ME said: Daniel 12:13 has dead Daniel ' resting in death ' but will later 'stand up'

No, I do not believe this verse means that Daniel will rise from the dead, which is the implication of what @URAVIP2ME said.

As I read the Bible, that is clearly what the Bible says. God told Daniel while he was alive that he would arise from the dead. Period. It's simple.

 

[Trailblazer]

As I read the Bible, that is clearly what the Bible says. God told Daniel while he was alive that he would arise from the dead. Period. It's simple.

13 But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

If you think the verse above means that Daniel is going to rise from the dead, that is absurd.
The verse does not say that, it is just what you want to believe it says to support your belief.

Do you have any other verses where Daniel says he will arise from the dead?

A few days ago I explained what resurrection of the dead means.

If there is a hell, what percentage of humans should go there?

The resurrection of the dead is not the resurrection of dead bodies from their graves.
Clearly, the body that will be raised after physical death is a spiritual body, not a physical body.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

@URAVIP2ME said: Daniel 12:13 has dead Daniel ' resting in death ' but will later 'stand up'

No, I do not believe this verse means that Daniel will rise from the dead, which is the implication of what @URAVIP2ME said.

As a medium and spiritualist, I agree with your religious belief that a dead body does not come back to life physically. The belief that a dead person can come back to life strikes me as strange, but then again, I believe that the Bible is grossly inaccurate and misleading in its teaching about the spirit world and what happens to people after they die. I've previously told you about my experiences as a psychic medium, including my husband's recent encounter.

 

[Trailblazer]

As a medium and spiritualist, I agree with your religious belief that a dead body does not come back to life physically. The belief that a dead person can come back to life strikes me as strange, but then again, I believe that the Bible is grossly inaccurate and misleading in its teaching about the spirit world and what happens to people after they die. I've previously told you about my experiences as a psychic medium, including my husband's recent encounter.

There is nothing in the Bible that says dead bodies will rise from their graves and come back to life.
That belief is based on a gross misinterpretation of the Bible coupled with wishful thinking.
The resurrection is spiritual, not physical.

Bodies once decomposed cannot come back to life, it's the most absurd belief that Christians hold.

Christians who want to rise from the dead and live on earth forever are like lost and confused earthbound spirits.