If there was universe before big bang

[rational experiences]

In Hawking and Penrose’s model, the singularity itself was a point of infinite density, therefore the universe emerged from an infinity.

If the universe had a beginning, and if it has boundaries and a diameter, it would be paradoxical to describe it as infinite within those parameters, but that does not preclude the possibility of a universe with infinite properties.

One problem with the whole concept of infinity - and as it stands that’s what infinity is, an abstract concept - is that by virtue of scale, it renders all measurable phenomena infinitely insignificant. It swallows everything up, in other words, like the infinitely dense centre of a super-massive black hole swallows everything which crosses the event horizon…

Natural thinking says.

The eternal beings separated O gods body from it own. By research a question. Why was the language spirit different to their own. The research.

To investigate you hold. O hence was the used holding. A removal from what had always existed before as a thought infinite memory by thinking....no change.

Which also applied unnatural change.

Which caused released thinning of surrounding O then burning exploding.

I accept that advice I own no other want.

Inventors theist humans are not like my thinking. They want a human practice. Proven machine reactive inventive human practiced only...science.

Artificial control by human. Applied changes by humans. Proven enabled.

Humans live humans die. We know change. We know self destruction.

Men of science said Satan was God as O mass went to hell.

So Satan cooled evolved became God. O.

Our holy father a human came direct out of the eternal body. It's not too difficult to agree with his teaching as it makes sense.

If scientists just humans say I believe the same origin substance that a planet owns is the same substance a human was. Then you would say neither body now owns it.

It's converted.

As a little portion of a huge O body..we never endured mass change.

O how a mass in a reaction would own it's own conditions.

Our claim is we Inherited.

We came after created creation..we inherited spiritual causes.

Our teaching is experience as if you change you then inherit the causes of change.

So we said it's natural law do not change anything. It's dangerous.

Many men have said I know a different earth universe previously existed and we fell out of it. Much like other universes are with suns.

When all human's are thinkers first only. Topic of choice denotes by identification dangerous or not. You can't lie human to human. We know. We identify.

 

[Kfox]

Could something exist outside of our known universe?

Lemme put it this way; it is estimated that scientists only know approx 4% of the entire Universe. That means 96% of the Universe they have no clue about! So is it possible for something to exist outside of the known Universe? Ummm.... YEAH! Like 96%.

 

[Kfox]

As i said TWICE now, that definition is old, from before modern thinking.

Well…. if the definition has changed, you should have no problem answering my question!

That is not to say there is an outside our universe, it is to say there could be
Which makes the definition all that exist to possibly be invalid.

No; if something existed outside of what we currently call the Universe, than that something wherever it is located immediately becomes a part of the Universe.

Remember language evolves, a more modern definition of the universeis everything we can touch, feel, sense, measure or detect. It includes living things, planets, stars, galaxies, dust clouds, light, and even time.

No; that’s the old definition. Care to answer my question?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sure - in the Second Century you would just ask a scribe, 'How much for you to copy some tracts from Anonymous 4536 scroll?'
Sounds odd to me. I would presume people would assign names to documents, ie 'That letter from John' and 'that account written
by Luke.'
Every other manuscript in the ancient world started out like this.

No, you would simply say to the scribe "Please copy this book". That is all. No need for anything else.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lemme put it this way; it is estimated that scientists only know approx 4% of the entire Universe. That means 96% of the Universe they have no clue about! So is it possible for something to exist outside of the known Universe? Ummm.... YEAH! Like 96%.

No, that is not how knowledge works.

 

[ChristineM]

So he wasn't the lowly man on the donkey who was crucified and rises again as it says in Zechariah ca 500 BC
He was instead some Osama Bin Laden guy.
So maybe we all need to still wait for this Redeemer, the one Job said is alive already but one day will walk upon
the earth - and pay the price we should have paid.
And when the Gentiles no longer believe on him the Jews will return and take back Jerusalem - maybe that is
yet to happen?
And the whole world will gaze in wonder at how disfigured he is - maybe that wasn't the crucifixion but something
yet to happen.
Maybe.
Ever heard of Occam's Razor ?

Guessing based on bronze age superstition does not do well on occams razor..

Look, you believe the bible with no independent backup, i believe what is written about rome.

As indicated in my link, my belief does at least have evidence to back it up.

 

[ChristineM]

Well…. if the definition has changed, you should have no problem answering my question!

I have provided the model scientific definition that you claim is the old definition despite it being completely different from what you claimed was the definition.

No; if something existed outside of what we currently call the Universe, than that something wherever it is located immediately becomes a part of the Universe.

Sheesh? Andrie Linde has calculated at least 10^10^16 universes. Not a single one is part of this universe. You want to argue from ignorance then take it up with a cosmologist.

No; that’s the old definition. Care to answer my question?

See the first part of this answer.

 

[sun rise]

string theory

String theory might be testable: Will String Theory Finally Be Put to the Experimental Test?

Of around 4200 gods worshipped through history (excluding Hindu gods) 3800 of them were the one creator god. Not sure how that can work unless you close your eyes to the possibility that all are false but your own god.

Sigh - See "Blind Men and the Elephant". All ideas are false because all are partial.

 

[sun rise]

A problem with the video is that it's a bit dogmatic about what the current scientific consensus is. IF the universe is closed, then the "big crunch" could happen. Otherwise, nope.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/what-shape-is-the-universe-closed-or-flat-20191104/

 

[ChristineM]

Sigh - See "Blind Men and the Elephant". All ideas are false because all are partial.

Yet there are many who claim "mt god is the true god, all other gods arw false"

This of course makes them 4199/4200 atheist but they cannot see that.

 

[sun rise]

Sheesh? Andrie Linde has calculated at least 10^10^16 universes.

The video ignored multiverse theory. It's an interesting idea to me.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yet there are many who claim "mt god is the true god, all other gods arw false"

This of course makes them 4199/4200 atheist but they cannot see that.

Or it is true that the world is natural. Playing with "truth" is not limited to religion.

 

[sun rise]

Yet there are many who claim "mt god is the true god, all other gods arw false"

This of course makes them 4199/4200 atheist but they cannot see that.

That's humanity for you - pig headed and arrogant besides.

 

[ChristineM]

A problem with the video is that it's a bit dogmatic about what the current scientific consensus is. IF the universe is closed, then the "big crunch" could happen. Otherwise, nope.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/what-shape-is-the-universe-closed-or-flat-20191104/

The universe has been measured to be flat to 5 decimal places (i.e. infinite)

If course it could begin to bend in (or out) of itself at something greater than 0.0000 of a degree. But for everyday use it's flat

 

[sun rise]

The universe has been measured to be flat to 5 decimal places (i.e. infinite)

If course it could begin to bend in (or out) of itself at something greater than 0.0000 of a degree. But for everyday use it's flat

I'll stick with the current set of unanswered questions. I find those ideas fun. Such as https://www.quantamagazine.org/why-is-the-universe-expanding-so-fast-20200427/

 

[PruePhillip]

Guessing based on bronze age superstition does not do well on occams razor..

Look, you believe the bible with no independent backup, i believe what is written about rome.

As indicated in my link, my belief does at least have evidence to back it up.

What's the chance of Bronze Age Jacob saying there will be a Hebrew nation one day, with a Monarchy and a Law,
but it will end with the Coming Messiah. And the Gentiles will believe in this Messiah.
I did the sums on this for someone who believed in statistics challenging the bible

Let’s apply “Probability Judgment”

Chance of one particular Semite tribe becoming a nation? Difficult, let’s say 1/1000.
Chance of a monarchy? God was against monarchy but monarchies were common – 50%.
Chance of a Judean king? Easy, 1/12 for the 12 tribes
Chance of a theocratic law? 50%
Chance of the Messiah who’s coming would end this nation? Impossible to figure. 1/million? More. Let’s be generous – 1/1000.
And the “obedience of the nations” to a Jewish Messiah? Count the gods of the world’s tribes. Be generous and say 1/10,000.

Generous probability = 0.000000000000415%
What’s that? Not even one in a trillion.
You mentioned “shockers” ?

Pious fiction? the accuracy demands explanation.

 

[ChristineM]

What's the chance of Bronze Age Jacob saying there will be a Hebrew nation one day, with a Monarchy and a Law,
but it will end with the Coming Messiah. And the Gentiles will believe in this Messiah.

JC was not a Hebrew messiah, according to the Hebrew he did not fullfil the messianic prophecies

Chance of one particular Semite tribe becoming a nation? Difficult, let’s say 1/1000.

Ahh a guess. Over time many tribes have become nations. I live on a continent where all nations were one tribes

Chance of a monarchy? God was against monarchy but monarchies were common – 50%.

Eh. I think at that time far, far more common than 50%

Chance of a Judean king? Easy, 1/12 for the 12 tribes

Do'h

Chance of a theocratic law? 50%

Hmmm, surely a theocracy is going to be run on theocratic law...

Chance of the Messiah who’s coming would end this nation? Impossible to figure. 1/million? More. Let’s be generous – 1/1000

As i said,. JC was not the Jewish Messiah so that would be 0%. Multiply by zero makes your guesses irrelevant

And the “obedience of the nations” to a Jewish Messiah?

Not the jewish Messiah

Pious fiction? the accuracy demands explanation.

Explanation! Confirmation bias

 

[Twilight Hue]

The video ignored multiverse theory. It's an interesting idea to me.

It is. It helps in explaining the laws of thermodynamics.

 

[ppp]

Yes, that ol' theory that people in the First Century AD compiled all the Messianic Redeemer stories
and crafted an account that made them all fit together.
Kind of hard - do you MAKE UP the stories or do you STITCH EVENTS TOGETHER in some kind
of coherent whole?

It's not hard at all. It happens every single day all around us. Narratives about what did and did not happen, and what it means are simultaneously stitched together from both real and false events
every single day. It happens on the social, cultural, political, and religious level every single day in every single culture. The practice of both exaggeration and making stories up is so commonplace that independent fact checking is a much critical profession.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It is. It helps in explaining the laws of thermodynamics.

The idea of the multiverse doesn't explain anything as it is not actual science. It is theoretical physics and not backed up actual tests and observations.