If religion were appealing to the masses, they wouldn't have needed to make people convert at the point of a sword or gun (depending on the era).
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If We All Became Atheists?
- Thread starter Nakosis
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If religion were appealing to the masses, they wouldn't have needed to make people convert at the point of a sword or gun (depending on the era).
If self-awareness of our characteristics is needed for us to have those characteristics, then babies aren't "short" or "young" either.
Just like you when it comes to almost every god.
No human being has even heard of most gods, to say nothing of "considering the issue and arriving at an opinion."
We Never Know
No Slack
One doesn't have to have self-awareness to be short or young.
Bingo.
We Never Know
No Slack
Being short or young doesn't involve belief/no belief so not sure what you are trying to compare.
Atheism also doesn't involve belief.
Anyone other than those who believe in at least one god is an atheist.
It's like being a civilian: everyone who isn't in the military is a civilian. It's certainly possible to decide not to enlist after putting careful thought into it, but this doesn't change the fact that babies who don't even know what a military is are still civilians.
We Never Know
No Slack
Short or young doesn't involve choice.
You can't choose to be short or young.
You can choose to be in the military or belief about gods.
Secret Chief
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Matters of mind are not equivalent to physical attributes.
Newborn babies are also non-verbal and illiterate.
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Irrelevant to my point that a person (or zygote or dog or toilet seat) is not an atheist (or theist or agnostic or non-theist or...) unless the issue has been considered and a conclusion arrived at. The number of gods (or elves) does not enter in to it.
Secret Chief
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What issue, exactly?
Rejecting one god doesn't make a person an atheist. Most theists reject many gods; the thing that makes them theists - and therefore not atheists - is the gods they accept.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
In the USA, fake news is primarily controlled, by those who hate religion; atheism. They have this chip on their shoulder, to where the ends justify their lying means. The DNC, who hates religion is more atheist. It also likes censorship, to go along with lying, so it can control the faux narrative.
The idea of human rights is based on a God given assumption. The idea of a higher power, in charge, allows for more ego self control needed to make human rights work. If this is left to man; just atheist humans, this becomes relative to those in power. We can see that within the US DNC. This is not to say many Atheists can simulate the same things as the religious, but there would be too many Atheist bad apples, for a steady state that did not eventually regress toward a dictatorship trying to play god. If there is no god, then some Atheist will try to become one.
Look at the Harris Campaign, being puffed up by fake news and marketing.she is purposely kept away from speaking candidly, as to not break the illusion. A religion person could not, in good conscience, live this lie. Harris has the opposite history; facts, and over the past four years did not display the level of competence being sold. The religious person to be true to the truth, in front of God, would prefer a competent person, since that allows them to choose a version of truth; facts.
Relative morality of Atheism equates to political expediency. Since there is no God as referee, then truth is what we want to belief, and can force feed onto others. Those who believe in God, will need to run a tighter ship based on the rules of a higher chain of command.
Just listing off a few "matters of the mind" that we non-controversially apply to babies.
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
I don't believe in at least one god but do not consider myself to be an atheist. Although, to be fair, when I was a foetus I was.
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
We could go off-piste here. Since they cannot speak they cannot say what their opinion is on matters of belief.
Sorry, but this, to me, is akin to dividing zero by zero..
Are babies born vegetarian because they don’t eat meat?
To lack belief in gods, one must be aware of the idea of gods.