Brian2
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Not really. One regards the diversity and relationships of living things and the other is the origin of life.
Yes true.
If there is no evidence, you can't make claims about it in science. You'd have everybody going with their favorite choice and that wouldn't tell you anything.
The same principle applies with abiogenesis as with evolution however. In the end science may decide (if it has not already) that life is no more than chemically based and that life could and did come about through chemical processes only.
This would be an assumption based on naturalistic methodology and the lack of evidence for the supernatural and spirit.
If you believe we have a spirit, how would or do you handle this?
Not really. Lack of evidence is lack of evidence.
Does that mean that one day in the distant future the governing body for science might come to the conclusion that science has shown that God does not exist because science has not found evidence for God?
If there is no evidence, whatever I or anyone else chooses to believe has no bearing on the conclusions from the evidence.
So what I said above sounds as if it could happen one day. Many skeptics these days do say such things after all.
There is no evidence for Genesis as it is written.
That would depend on your interpretation of what is written.
I for example interpret Gen 1:1-2 as meaning that God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was covered by water and thick cloud which made it dark. (as in Job 38:8-9)
I disagree. What you claim simply isn't there. Different interpretations aren't a refinement of the Bible, they are a recognition of the Bible in light of what we have learned. The refinement is in the believer.
OK it is a refinement of what a believer believes a passage means.
With science all the conclusions are tentative. But the problem is that those that reject some or all of science do so on grounds outside of science and from personal bias.
If I am not willing to accept all of current scientific understanding because of my religious beliefs and because of a conclusion that I might see as being based on the presumption that there was no supernatural involvement or no God involvement or no spirit then, yes the grounds are at least partly outside of science and from personal bias but also the grounds are partly inside of science, to do with the naturalistic methodology which can cause science to reach conclusions that are wrong imo. For example, what I said above about science concluding that life is no more than chemical based.
IOW science is not the be all and end all of defining what is true.
I don't know that it needs to fit with what we have discovered using science. We just have to recognize that it is best interpreted as allegory. That demanding that all we have learned be tossed out to appease the emotions of those cannot bear the idea of there being more to it is wrong in my opinion.
This is where it gets tricky. You see your allegory interpretation as correct and that I should conform to that, and I see my interpetation of Genesis as vaguely historical and hope that others might be able to see that.
Actually I don't demand that all we have learned be tossed out. I see that what we have learned as confirming the Bible and the Bible as confirming what science has discovered.
BUT of course even though I am of course correct and the Bible is correct also and science is correct also (except in assuming that God did not do it) from experience, I hold no hope of convincing people of this and so my spiritual maturity that I get from it is to not take it to heart and to accept others as Bible believers even though we disagree.