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If you believe in reincarnation...

Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
rocala said:
Why do you assume that the process is confined to the Earth or to humans?
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I believe we have had migrations from other planets but It does not appear that any have taken place in the last 2,000 years and probably a lot longer than that. It can work the other way also. I have spent a few incarnations on other planets.
 
Spice

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Muffled said:
I believe we have had migrations from other planets but It does not appear that any have taken place in the last 2,000 years and probably a lot longer than that. It can work the other way also. I have spent a few incarnations on other planets.
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I'm intrigued. What is your belief system that you have been reincarnated, but not as the eastern religions relate to reincarnation? Your profile says you're "Christian," so where does the reincarnation on other planets originate?
 
soulsurvivor

soulsurvivor

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Premium Member
Nakosis said:
Where do all of the new souls come from?

As the population of the Earth grows and each new body needs a soul, how does that work?
Are there a finite number of souls?
Are new souls created to supply the extra bodies?
Do souls divide like cells to become two new souls?
Will we ever run out?
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I understand that there are around 60 billion Earth human souls already created out of which 7 billion are in incarnation. For the time being no more human souls are being added except in rare cases (these are usually when an animal like a dog or cat becomes advanced enough to have their soul individualize).

I don't think Earth can handle much more than 7 billion humans. At some point, there may be a cataclysm and the number may actually be reduced. So, I doubt we will ever run out of human souls to reincarnate. In fact, there is a long queue of souls waiting for the opportunity to incarnate.
 
IsraelMoses

IsraelMoses

Member
Quester said:
Reincarnation is another "late arriving belief" tossed upon people for control. According to the late Professor Leopold Fischer:

In its present form, the way people talk about it today, it is quite
old, but it's not as old as people hope it would be. You have only a
vestigial or marginal mention of something like transmigration in the older
sections of the Veda. There is the first complete mention, though very
brief, in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, which is quite old. But the real
assumptions having to do with reincarnation come in the Puranic age, at
the time that the Puranas were composed, and then of course, through
Buddhism. So you might say that it reached a state of common acceptance,
I would think, around 300 B.C., but not earlier. So it is old, but in its
highly articulated form it is not so old — and the way it's talked about
now, that's recent; that's "Theosophical Society."
.......

What was in the "earlier" text?
Brihadaranyaka Upanishad:
"Upon reaching the moon, they become food. There the gods enjoy them,
just as the priests enjoy the drink of Soma watching the moon wax and
wane. When that ends they enter into space, from space into air, from air
into rain, from rain into the earth. Then they are again offered in the fire of
man, and from there into the fire of a woman so that they can go again to
the other worlds. Thus, they keep rotating."
......

If reincarnation was correct, it would have been talked about when writing began ... but ... nothing.

So, what about alleged memories of past lives? This could be anything from endogenous DMT to paranormal intrusions. There IS a "spiritual" world ... and just TONS of attempted "explanations."
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A taboo subject in the Christian religion, but it is fact and it is a part of the Christian. I met my former wives, today, at the ages of 2 and 5 years of age. I am a witness, still learning.
 
Spice

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
paarsurrey said:
If you believe in reincarnation...

No, I don't, does one believes in it?; if yes, why, please, right?
Anybody, please, right, please?

Regards
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Okay, my Friend, but take it easy on me, as I'll soon have to close off RF and go take care of some chores.

I do believe in reincarnation. 1) for scientific reasons that creation, matter and energy cannot be destroyed, but only reconfigured. Now that takes care of the physical body and the "life" of all living, and non-living things -- creation. It changes, but it never completely goes away. Animal, vegetable, and mineral disintegrates, but just to replenish and renourish and be born again in something new and refreshed.

2) Now for that spark that is not a part of this physical universe, this nearly comprehensible creation of God's, the God-like Spirit that is the subconscious being that we truly are inside this physical vessel of a body breathing the life substance of our habitation, that too, can not be destroyed, because that too is part of God's creation. That is our heavenly-self, our soul.

Now remembering that God is perfect and all good, He can only create all good with an intended perfection in the fruit of His creation. As in Genesis, He stated after every new thing, "it is good." But humankind discovered things of the physical world that inhibits their growth, that holds them, that gets in the way of their perfection to produce heaven-worthy fruit, here, in this venue, before we can return to heaven to stay. God, being all good, and all loving, keeps giving that heavenly-self of ours a new physical vessel, a new breath of life, over and over as we nourish and grow to heaven-worthy perfection. He does not give up on us.

This is also how perfect justice is dealt. Our subconscious heavenly-self learns with each incarnation, by somehow being on the receiving end of what we have previously given. We reap what we sow. We pay every last copper. In example, say in a previous life you were a bigot. Eventually you will be the recipient of equal measure of bigotry. You will have paid the price and learned not to commit that sin...from the heart, from the soul, the real self, will go and sin no more, in that manner, at least.

It is my belief, Jesus was the first of humankind to reach that perfection of the heavenly-self, the soul, and therefore the first to receive the Final Resurrection. The firstborn of the dead. Never to go out again. And what he taught was The Way for us all to achieve that final heavenly ascent and he marked the path.

There you have it -- my belief in reincarnation. Now, I'm off to walk my grandog.

Later....
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
rocala said:
Why do you assume that the process is confined to the Earth or to humans?
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Well, that argument applies to all possible worlds and whole universe concerning us. Unless you believe that earth is some kind of special world and what ever life that dies outside of earth necessarily is born here on earth in their next life.
 
Valjean

Valjean

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Premium Member
Eddi said:
From fragmenting existing souls

All souls are fragments of a single spiritual resource and get recombined with it after death

That's what I think anyway
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This is similar to a Vedantist view I'm familiar with. A single, universal consciousness with countless sentient organisms tapping into it, just as countless electrical appliances tap into the electrical mains. They may be unplugged, or plugged into a different outlet, but it's the same power source.
 
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