If you can read this in your native English-speaking tongue, you may be fat...

[Draka]

The program is very flexible - I love it!

You use MFP? Well now, you just have to add jendraka! You must! You must! :jiggy:

 

[Kathryn]

You use MFP? Well now, you just have to add jendraka! You must! You must! :jiggy:

Doing it right now!

Actually I am using the Weight Watchers site for food input but tracking my weight and looking up cool stuff on MFP. I like that site a lot.

OK, Draka, I just added you!

 

[Renji]

Can I use that program too? Just as some kind of a support system to you guys..

 

[Kathryn]

Can I use that program too? Just as some kind of a support system to you guys..

Absolutely yes - it's free and it's a really great little program - very detailed.

 

[Draka]

Doing it right now!

Actually I am using the Weight Watchers site for food input but tracking my weight and looking up cool stuff on MFP. I like that site a lot.

OK, Draka, I just added you!

Accepted! Yay!

Can I use that program too? Just as some kind of a support system to you guys..

Sure. Also, a lot of people are on there not just for losing weight, but some for gaining, some for maintaining, some for working on getting fit or more muscular. There's lots of reasons people are there, including as support for friends.

 

[Renji]

Accepted! Yay!

Sure. Also, a lot of people are on there not just for losing weight, but some for gaining, some for maintaining, some for working on getting fit or more muscular. There's lots of reasons people are there, including as support for friends.

Thanks for the info. I wanna gain some weight. And failed.

 

[Draka]

Thanks for the info. I wanna gain some weight. And failed.

Well, there's people there that are there for that reason. There's also message boards and you can make friends that have much the same goals as you so you can share ideas and encourage each other as well. Honestly, it can't hurt to check it out and if it isn't for you then there's nothing lost as it's entirely free.

 

[freethinker44]

This man is considered morbidly obese with a BMI of 41.

 

[Draka]

This man is considered morbidly obese with a BMI of 41.

Just screams fat lazy couch potato doesn't it?

Though, does make one wonder how the statistics concerning obesity and overweight are generated. Is it strictly through BMI numbers? Numbers garnered from heights and weights from medical charts? Just how is it determined just how many people are truly and honestly too fat?

 

[s2a]

And who says that only four-letter words can incite such immediate and knee jerk responses…

Any way, since I crafted the OP, I’ll effort to address the most pertinent replies, in order of posting…

Do you go out of your way to verbally attack people who live a life of constant reminders about their physical condition? Is this internet bravery or some other noble aspiration you are reaching with this post? You should rethink your approach and personal manner when it comes to anonymously attacking people over things they are reminded over everyday.

Um in order…no…no...and you need to reflect further before designating my OP as nothing more than an “anonymous attack”.

Just FYI, the BMI is an absolutley horrible standard to determine if you are obese.

Well, you’ll note if you please, that’s it’s not my standard, but one as provided by the US federal govt.

Long time no speak.........hope you are well!

Indeed.I am, ty.

Upto a year ago, I was Obese, and I was aware of that; I have struggled with weight all my life. However, at the age of err 63, I decided that if I was going to go into my "senior" years, I ought to get fit enough so as to minimise the problems brought on by weight problems.

I have a very strong will; when I chose to do something, I do it "properly".
I am 5'7" tall (I was nearer to 5'9" in my twenties and thirties, but Osteoporosis have made me "shrink"), and I weighed - at the worst - to 106 Kilos ugh.... I had a hip replacement during the spell of putting on weight, and I suppose my lack of mobility, waiting for the op didn't help.

I am now 74 kilos (I lost 10" waistline) - the same weight as my 28 year old son , but he says that I look skinny whereas he is definitely not.
Measuring my shoulders width, chest expansion, it lookjs as if I have, indeed, "bigger bones" than my son.

(loss of weight was less food, no alcohol (I have given that up), and as much excercise as I can manege, considering osteoporosis, severe osteo-arthritis, and the assorted aches and pains.

Well done.
[PS. I’ve been more “frequent here over the last 3 wks or so…you know how to follow my recent history here… just more of the same blasphemy and skepticism..as usual ]

Obesity is surely a result of Our (modern) additction to sugar and carbohydrates?

Or could it be genetic?

Yes, and it seems to be so, at least in very small part...

What's the point of this thread?

Um, what’s the point of your inquiry?

BMI is a worthless and completely horrible way for people to judge their "ideal weight" and body size. It takes no account for frame size nor muscle mass/body fat percentage. It can easily tell someone who is muscular and fit that they are overweight or obese and someone who is flabby and unfit that they are healthy. It is the damn "ideal weight" charts and BMI charts that lead people to believe that they must near starve themselves to achieve some stupid goal that their body need not achieve. What a person need concern themselves with is how much fat they are carrying around. If they reach a healthy heartrate when they are working out. How much muscle mass they have. How much weight they are carrying in relation to their frame size and how much of that is muscle and how much is fat. Not if they hit a particular number on a scale because they are a particular height. Health is so much more than charts and bathroom scales.

Again, I am neither advocate nor proponent of BMI evaluations alone. No informed person would be.

This "but FAT. OBESE. LARD ****" and "This message brought to you by all the happy, confident, pleasant. gifted, and charming fat people under 35 that are now dead." and this you think is not an attack? I hope you don't conduct yourself in this manner when approaching people.

Would it be appropriate for me to start abusively insulting an alcoholic or smoker? Do you think that is a productive or ethical way to help someone with a problem such as this?

Just an FYI in counter. I smoke cigars and imbibe my fair share of cognac on a nearly ritualistic basis.

Spare me and others any specious indignations of “insult”. Statistics are statistics. Do you know many (any?)grossly obese people over the age of 50? Have you even looked into the fact that obesity kills more people than cancer or booze? Only smoking leads the way in preventable premature death… just barely. Heart disease, diabetes, heart failure, cancer.
OBESITY AND MORTALITY
Obesity: Facts, Figures, Guidelines

Obesity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In a recent government study, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that obesity is fast approaching tobacco as the top underlying preventable cause of death in the USA.
Obesity approaching top cause of death (CDC report) - The Doctors Lounge(TM)

World Health Organization
WHO | Obesity and overweight
Key facts
Worldwide obesity has more than doubled since 1980.
In 2008, more than 1.4 billion adults, 20 and older, were overweight. Of these over 200 million men and nearly 300 million women were obese.
65% of the world's population live in countries where overweight and obesity kills more people than underweight.
More than 40 million children under the age of five were overweight in 2010.
Obesity is preventable.
Obesity overtaking smoking as America's number one killer
Obesity overtaking smoking as America's number one killer

I could list dozens of sources more, but only to echo the cited ones above.
You tell me. Is it some personalized attack, some focused insult, something “mean” to point out that being fat (note again that obesity is considered by every legitimate medical body and institution as “preventable”), is going to kill overweight people sooner than later?

I don’t confront people that must know they are overweight, no. I don’t feel the need to reinforce the obvious. When I go grocery shopping each week, and note that every single electric shopping cart available is being piloted by a grossly obese person whose only handicap is their immense weight, and their cart is filled with sugars, fats, and salty processed foods…they retain my sympathies just long enough until I recall the truly disabled members of my community, those that have lost limbs to war, or to unforeseen disease/affliction, or circumstances well beyond their control or manifestation.

I thought fat people were human beings with feelings, too. Maybe we should make threads about people who have chronic halitosis. It is insensitive-- I am not one for being Politically Correct, but I think people do need some sensitivity-- at least a little.

P. S. What is the debate about? Maybe we can instead talk about gyms and exercise. That would be much more useful.

Hi ChristineES. You may be missing the point just a teensy weensy bit. This is not about how some people *feel* about being fat, overweight, or obese. The OP directs attention primarily to the condition of obesity, not the character or personalities of fat people. Here is a very real distinction to be drawn here. Platitudes and euphemisms akin to those referenced in the OP ay come off more “PC”, but again, let’s be real. Heavy people know very well all of those euphemistic substitutions for being “fat”. If you are yourself heavy, you know all the "pc" and "un-pc" nomenclatures, no doubt. If you’ve never been heavy, then perhaps you do not, but likely know someone who is, so, let’s not draw unfair equivalencies as comparison. Folks can not alter their skin color, ethnicity, familial associations, or their cultural/religious/political/educational upbringing/inculcations into adulthood, or even while pre/post adolescent.

But let’s also take great hope in the fact that the overwhelming majority of able bodied/minded people can alter their behaviors into maturity and adulthood. Ignorance, has a cure. Racism, hate. intolerance, Catholicism (or other indoctrinate religions), has a cure.

And, obesity has a cure too.

Fortunately my native tongue isn't English.

“I don’t speak French,,,but I kiss that way”
(apologies to Leslie Neilson and The Naked Gun).

As a student nurse, we usually use the BMI to determine if a person is underweight, overweight, normal or obese. Aside from computing it (weight in kg/ height in meters square) there are still other methods to determine if you're obese or not. I say, don't rely on it alone. Better consult health professionals.

Good counsel

 

[s2a]

As I understand, most people in US dont get big because of pregnancy but because of eating garbage.

Well, a healthy mother will gain weight in pregnancy, as is needed. But, if anyone watched the 2012 Olympics, and happened to catch any of the matches of the gold medalists in beach volleyball, it’s worthy to note that both female athletes of that team are mothers

I would like to ask we stop overtaking the thread, which is about BMI and how to lower it.

Actually, it’s not really about BMI alone, or how to lower one’s own BMI.

But I thank you for attempting to keep others within the topic of discussion just the same

 

[s2a]

I used to it...but sometimes I really hate being right all the time...

 

[Draka]

I used to it...but sometimes I really hate being right all the time...

What exactly was that supposed to mean?

 

[s2a]

What exactly was that supposed to mean?

It means that sometimes I enjoy being surprised in being proved wrong.

I really do

Doesn't happen as much as I would enjoy, but hope springs eternal...