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If your deity asked you to kill your child, would you do it?

If your deity asked you to kill your child would you do it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 16.7%

  • No

    Votes: 26 54.2%

  • I do not believe in a deity.

    Votes: 14 29.2%
  • Total voters
    48
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popsthebuilder

Active Member
Carlita said:
It is a hypothetical question. In this question, yes, he does ask and the OP is asking would we follow though with it.

In Christian scripture, God does. Im not familar with the Quran if that is where you are refering to.

Outside scripture, I dont see the logic of how killing (edit) as an example of obedience pleases god.
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In the example in the Bible it is a test of Faith. He is tested to see if he cherishes the temporal existence of this plane most, or the will of GOD. He is not forced to actually go through with it, but is just tested to see what he would go through by God's will.
 
Taylor Seraphim

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
popsthebuilder said:
In the example in the Bible it is a test of Faith. He is tested to see if he cherishes the temporal existence of this plane most, or the will of GOD. He is not forced to actually go through with it, but is just tested to see what he would go through by God's will.
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He seems to be very evil.
 
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popsthebuilder

Active Member
Taylor Seraphim said:
Yet you fail to provide a better one?
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9:1. A declaration of complete absolution on the part of Allâh and His Messenger to those of the polytheists with whom you had entered into a treaty. 9:2. So you may go about in the land for four months, and know that you cannot frustrate Allâh, and that Allâh will humiliate the disbelievers.
9:3. And this is a proclamation from Allâh and His Messenger to the people on the occasion of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allâh and His Messenger owe no obligation to these polytheists. If you turn to Him in repentance it is better for you. But if you turn away then know that you cannot frustrate Allâh. And proclaim the news of a grievous punishment to these disbelievers;
9:4. Excepting those of the polytheists with whom you have entered into a treaty who subsequently did not fail you in any manner, nor did they back up anyone against you. So abide by the treaty you had entered with them to the end of the term you have fixed with them. Allâh, surely loves those who keep their duty.
9:5. But when the prohibited months have expired, slay such polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every place from which it is possible to perceive the enemy and watch their movements. But if they turn in repentance and keep up Prayer and go on presenting the Zakât, leave their path free. Indeed, Allâh is Great Protector, Ever Merciful.
9:6. And if any of the polytheists seeks your protection, grant him protection so that he may hear the word of Allâh, then conduct him to a place where he feels himself safe and secure. That is because they are a people who have no knowledge.

Clearly says to show mercy when possible and that ignorance isn't punishable by death but intentional misdirection should be dealt with. Polythiests in this context is anyone who puts their will over God's and doesn't pertain to pagans sprcifically in my opinion.
 
Taylor Seraphim

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
popsthebuilder said:
9:1. A declaration of complete absolution on the part of Allâh and His Messenger to those of the polytheists with whom you had entered into a treaty. 9:2. So you may go about in the land for four months, and know that you cannot frustrate Allâh, and that Allâh will humiliate the disbelievers.
9:3. And this is a proclamation from Allâh and His Messenger to the people on the occasion of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allâh and His Messenger owe no obligation to these polytheists. If you turn to Him in repentance it is better for you. But if you turn away then know that you cannot frustrate Allâh. And proclaim the news of a grievous punishment to these disbelievers;
9:4. Excepting those of the polytheists with whom you have entered into a treaty who subsequently did not fail you in any manner, nor did they back up anyone against you. So abide by the treaty you had entered with them to the end of the term you have fixed with them. Allâh, surely loves those who keep their duty.
9:5. But when the prohibited months have expired, slay such polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every place from which it is possible to perceive the enemy and watch their movements. But if they turn in repentance and keep up Prayer and go on presenting the Zakât, leave their path free. Indeed, Allâh is Great Protector, Ever Merciful.
9:6. And if any of the polytheists seeks your protection, grant him protection so that he may hear the word of Allâh, then conduct him to a place where he feels himself safe and secure. That is because they are a people who have no knowledge.

Clearly says to show mercy when possible and that ignorance isn't punishable by death but intentional misdirection should be dealt with. Polythiests in this context is anyone who puts their will over God's and doesn't pertain to pagans sprcifically in my opinion.
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Ok so why does Allah feel it necessary to force people to convert under the threat of death?

He sounds like an *******.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Thief said:
the 'test' is a choice between spirit and blood.....
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Death and sacrifice of a child (Isaac) and of the innocent (christ) to be a test or means of salvation for man kind.

It sounds cruel; and, I feel that is barbaric.

God could think of other means to test. Christians throughout history have focused on death--death of non believers, death of innocent, death in general. Its ironic to use death to bring life.

Other religions focus on life. Death is not a means of salvation but living life in their faith is.

I completely disagree with how christianity sees death being a literal sacrifice of an animal and person.

That is barbaric.
 
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popsthebuilder

Active Member
Carlita said:
No. Why live if god is important than the life "he gave" you?
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Why not?

We live to continue life to the best of our ability. The best way to d that is to remove greed. If you live just for self gratification th n when you die that's it. But if you strive to do all you can to positively influence peaceful prosperity and United advancement then your actually adding worth to life, to me, anyway.
 
Taylor Seraphim

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
popsthebuilder said:
Why not?

We live to continue life to the best of our ability. The best way to d that is to remove greed. If you live just for self gratification th n when you die that's it. But if you strive to do all you can to positively influence peaceful prosperity and United advancement then your actually adding worth to life, to me, anyway.
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And obeying an evil deity accomplishes that?
 
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