If your deity asked you to kill your child, would you do it?

[RRex]

No, it is used as a guide, and someone who thinks it was literally written by the One Creator GOD, are quite confused. One that worships a book would indeed be worshipping an idol, which is expressly spoken against.

Have you ever attended Catholic Mass?

The book is worshipped in ritual, which is probably part of its (ritual) pagan roots. They hold it above their heads. They bow to it and kiss it. It has its own tabernacle.

If that isn't worshipping it I don't know what is.

Look what they supposedly did with the slabs of the Ten Commandments. They had their own tabernacle in the Ark.

They worship objects, the Bible being one glaring example.

 

[Thief]

I cant see it in gods view because I assume when you create life, you should value it. When that life dies natually, that persons spirit returns to god.

I could never see a smooth correlation between giving a life ans having the right to take.

Reminds me of abortion and capitol punishment.

Its sad.

EDIT

If anything, (If I were god) Id probably bless Abraham for saying No. That would show he cares more about life god created rather than a command to kill it.

so God was at fault?.... for the Flood.....Sodom and Gomorrah...

smooth correlation.....
death is not likely smooth....even if it seems peaceful at the moment.
we still stand from the dust and God and heaven will be there to see about it.

Smooth?
I think not

bless Abram?......for saying no....
and then move on to the next man who might say....yes....

God was seeking something
I think He found it in Abram.

 

[Draka]

Attempted murder is a law of man. The law wasn't established at the time of Abraham but it it had been he still wouldn't be guilty of it as he didn't actually attempt murder but stopped prior to the actual attempt.

What is it about him being stopped from doing it makes it not being stopped from doing it? He had to be stopped. That means he was attempting to do it. You don't stop something that isn't happening. You can't stop something that isn't happening. Were he not stopped it would have happened, right? That was the whole deal. So...by him having to be stopped that means it was an attempt.

 

[Thief]

Have you ever attended Catholic Mass?

The book is worshipped in ritual, which is probably part of its (ritual) pagan roots. They hold it above their heads. They bow to it and kiss it. It has its own tabernacle.

If that isn't worshipping it I don't know what is.

Look what they supposedly did with the slabs of the Ten Commandments. They had their own tabernacle in the Ark.

They worship objects, the Bible being one glaring example.

that seems a misperception.
(I attended Catholic schools....even made a bid on a position in a seminary)

we did not worship objects.
they are nothing but visual focus for Something Greater.

I don't follow the religion any more.
but I have not forgotten.

 

[Thief]

What is it about him being stopped from doing it makes it not being stopped from doing it? He had to be stopped. That means he was attempting to do it. You don't stop something that isn't happening. You can't stop something that isn't happening. Were he not stopped it would have happened, right? That was the whole deal. So...by him having to be stopped that means it was an attempt.

indeed .....the point of commitment had been reached.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

so God was at fault?.... for the Flood.....Sodom and Gomorrah...

smooth correlation.....
death is not likely smooth....even if it seems peaceful at the moment.
we still stand from the dust and God and heaven will be there to see about it.

Smooth?
I think not

bless Abram?......for saying no....
and then move on to the next man who might say....yes....

God was seeking something
I think He found it in Abram.

It was god's fault. He was the cause of the actions such as the flood and the illnesses and killing of children who moses had no put a blood on their door. Fault sounds negative. Blame does too. That doesnt mean its false. Just Christians dont view it that way.

Yep. Bless Abram for saying no. Abram would have thought of god's creation (life) rather than than obeyng god's command (death).

The choice between life and death. Abraham chose death. I choose life.

Here is what I think about sacrifice in post #20
http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...-idea-of-human-sacrifice.184545/#post-4631317

 

[Thief]

The Flood was alleged necessary.
Too much of Man was headed in the wrong direction
same for the twin cities....

In Abram God was seeking something.
affirmation....Spirit first.

 

[Thief]

I don't think anyone has really considered this event.

Let's shift perspective again....just to prove it.

See the event by the eyes of the boy.....
your own father has raised a blade and is about to kill you....
and suddenly stops.

your father then regains his composure....and another sacrifice is made in your place.

but afterwards....when ever in his presence.....
you keep an eye on his immediate disposition
and your relationship is never the same.

what then of your mind and heart toward God?
having been told.....it was God that brought the moment....

maybe Abram was never really the main character of the story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RRex]

but afterwards....when ever in his presence.....
you keep an eye on his immediate disposition
and your relationship is never the same.

God advocates terrorizing children. I know. I grew up in that kind of household.

 

[Thief]

God advocates terrorizing children. I know. I grew up in that kind of household.

Holy Terror?
yep.....fearing the Almighty is said to be wisdom in heart

 

[RRex]

Holy Terror?
yep.....fearing the Almighty is said to be wisdom in heart

There used nothing wise about beating your children every day or psychologically abusing them with your rapier tongue.

My mother was a holy roller and went for the jugular every time.

I have no use for the Church or what it teaches.

 

[Shad]

Why the universe is not the proof? Toyota for instance is the proof that japan does exist.

We discovered Japan before Toyota even existed.... Beside we can actually go to Japan itself....

 

[Shad]

I don't think anyone has really considered this event.

Let's shift perspective again....just to prove it.

See the event by the eyes of the boy.....
your own father has raised a blade and is about to kill you....
and suddenly stops.

your father then regains his composure....and another sacrifice is made in your place.

but afterwards....when ever in his presence.....
you keep an eye on his immediate disposition
and your relationship is never the same.

what then of your mind and heart toward God?
having been told.....it was God that brought the moment....

maybe Abram was never really the main character of the story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Angels stopped the father not the father stopping himself. False comparison since you remove the 3rd party completely.

It shows a God that is capable of telling a father to murder his child, who has done no wrong, to prove his faith. It shows that this God is not all knowing as a test would not be required at all

 

[Shad]

Attempted murder is a law of man. The law wasn't established at the time of Abraham but it it had been he still wouldn't be guilty of it as he didn't actually attempt murder but stopped prior to the actual attempt.

It does not need to be a law. Abraham attempted to kill his son to show his faith.

He would have been guilty of attempted murder has he had the full intention of killing his son until he was stopped.

 

[RRex]

Angels stopped the father not the father stopping himself. False comparison since you remove the 3rd party completely.

What does it say about the ruling entity when its "children" (angels) are more compassionate than it is?

Pure barbarism. The ruling entity is a sadist.

 

[Shad]

What does it say about the ruling entity when its "children" (angels) are more compassionate than it is?

These angels were following Gods commands. God punishes angels that do other than which he commands as is evident in the Bible. A better question is why send angels if Abe had been talking directly to God prior to the event.

Pure barbarism. The ruling entity is a sadist.

The ruling entity is a product of it's times that is why there is barbarism enacted by this figures throughout the Bible. Also Issac isn't the only person to face this type of event. A judge sacrificed his daughter to this same God but that time God didn't stop it nor reject the offering. There was never a verse saying "Yoith, thou shall not offer human sacrifices" Jesus was also a human sacrifice to well himself.

 

[RRex]

It's still barbarism and God is still a sadist.

People do its bidding, so it is ultimately responsible.

 

[popsthebuilder]

It does not need to be a law. Abraham attempted to kill his son to show his faith.

He would have been guilty of attempted murder has he had the full intention of killing his son until he was stopped.

Having intention to do something and attempting to do something are not synonymous.

 

[RRex]

Having intention to do something and attempting to do something are not synonymous.

If you're God and you know everything including people's thoughts does it matter? I'm pretty sure the Bible says somewhere that if you have a bad thought you've already committed the sin.

 

[popsthebuilder]

If you're God and you know everything including people's thoughts does it matter? I'm pretty sure the Bible says somewhere that if you have a bad thought you've already committed the sin.

Indeed thought of sinning can lead to sin. However Abraham didn't think of killing his son and as a result went about it. He was following direction without thought of his own, just as he did when God told him to leave his land. He didn't contemplate where he would go or how he would get there or how he would sustain his existence. He simply had Faith in the direction and will of God.