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Then you don't mind to go to hell.
Exactly. I am sacrificing my life for another person to live.
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Then you don't mind to go to hell.
What kind of sacrifice is it to be exact?Exactly. I am sacrificing my life for another person to live.
So your devotion to a god is based on the power he or she possesses first, and how moral they are second? It comes across that the question of Allah's morality (or lack thereof) isn't actually that important to you. Is this the case?
What kind of sacrifice is it to be exact?
Good.I would give myself eternal torment for my child to live.
My life.What kind of sacrifice is it to be exact?
It is because hell and heaven do exist.My life.
In my personal opinion, it sounds very unhealthy to disvalue life because you fear hell and hope for heaven. If Islam teaches obedience before life, it makes christianity look pretty good. Sacrificing ones life is the highest charity one can do.
This makes me think quite sadly.
I was coming from work and a look like a five year old kid ran in the middle of the street. Two cars on either side did not see him. I dashed over, motioned for the cars the stop, and grabbed the childs hand. If I were hit, "at least the child was safe".
What is sad to me is that you would watch that child get hit because you fear gods wrath and hell if you saves him.
To me, thats barbaric. I dont understand it.
No, it's more out of devotion. I don't know if I ever could sacrifice someone, really. I've never killed anything bigger than an insect. But if the gods who have helped me through my life require that, then out of devotion and respect for them, I'd have to.So if you would follow the gods even if they asked you to do that, does that mean that you worship the gods just because they are more powerful than you?
No, it's more out of devotion. I don't know if I ever could sacrifice someone, really. I've never killed anything bigger than an insect. But if the gods who have helped me through my life require that, then out of devotion and respect for them, I'd have to.
It is because hell and heaven do exist.
And what does saving the child from car crash have to do with this topic? I don't see any relation between the God commandment and saving the child from car crash.
To me, yes. I can't hope to understand why gods need the things they need sometimes. If I was a parent, I'd ask if I could trade places for the sacrifice (as I would expect all worthy parents to do) because I believe self sacrifice is the most noble sort of sacrifice.But would a god that required that be worthy of respect and devotion?
FWIW, if you believe in an afterlife that's better than this one and that your children will go there, then any parent who's trying to maximize the well-being of their children would kill them. The only rational reason not to do so would be that God has commanded people not to murder.Hmm. What devotion you have to your creator that is worth more than your child's life?
Ths is pretty confusing.
What criteria do you use to tell God and Shatan apart?No God is a God of life.
It is Shatan the great deceiver and father of lies who is asking in the guise of a deity - it is not your God.
It is because hell and heaven do exist.
And what does saving the child from car crash have to do with this topic? I don't see any relation between the God commandment and saving the child from car crash.
FWIW, if you believe in an afterlife that's better than this one and that your children will go there, then any parent who's trying to maximize the well-being of their children would kill them. The only rational reason not to do so would be that God has commanded people not to murder.
Not only would it be rational to kill one's child if God commanded it; it would be rational to kill the child even if God merely suspended the commandment against killing and let the parent decide for himself or herself what to do.
What parent wouldn't give their child a better life if they could? If they're destined for Heaven, then that's precisely what killing them would give them.
Why? What's wrong with murder?The child shouldn't have to die at the hands of his parents. Its not about where he goes in the afterlife. Its the act of killing in and of itself.
My answer is no, I would not kill anyone's child just because someone told me to. If I heard a voice telling me to kill it, tell me how I would know it was my god's voice.If your deity asked you to kill your child would you do it?
Can't the same be asked of any purported communication from God?My answer is no, I would not kill anyone's child just because someone told me to. If I heard a voice telling me to kill it, tell me how I would know it was my god's voice.
Yes.Can't the same be asked of any purported communication from God?