Maybe that is why a person might need TWO gods. Or three if you want to count the invisible one.
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No. Mainly because I would probably believe myself crazy. I would have to doubt myself that that was actually requested of me. I can not even entertain the idea She would ask anyone to do such a thing, being Mother Herself, so I would be convinced that either I was going batcrap crazy or whatever entity had made such a request was an impostor.If your deity asked you to kill your child would you do it?
It's comforting to me that so many theists in this thread have taken this position. I'm glad you're comfortable enough with judging your god(s) to come to this conclusion.The God of my understanding would not ask such a thing.
Haha KNOWING, not judging.It's comforting to me that so many theists in this thread have taken this position. I'm glad you're comfortable enough with judging your god(s) to come to this conclusion.
Anyone who says something like "God would not do this" has judged God's nature and the moral quality of the act being considered and decided that they're incompatible. You can't come to this conclusion without judging God.Haha KNOWING, not judging.
Saying it thusly is judging God. You are right. What about this? The God I worship does not do such things. (Not would not do). I know God. OK?Anyone who says something like "God would not do this" has judged God's nature and the moral quality of the act being considered and decided that they're incompatible. You can't come to this conclusion without judging God.
So if a parent really is certain that their kids will go to Heaven and doesn't believe that God forbids killing them, why shouldn't the parent kill their kids by some painless method?
You might be able to get to "the God I worship hasn't done such things so far", but making predictions about what God will do right now or in the future involves judging God.Saying it thusly is judging God. You are right. What about this? The God I worship does not do such things. (Not would not do). I know God. OK?
Interesting. It is true that I would not know if my husband might hurt me if he came down with Alzheimer's disease. In the future might my god order me to kill my child? Perhaps. Then I would become an atheist. No?You might be able to get to "the God I worship hasn't done such things so far", but making predictions about what God will do right now or in the future involves judging God.
No, I don't think soEven if you had some sort of promise from God to go on (BTW- do you?),
True. So then being atheist is the smart way to go. Everyone knows I am not smart.you would still have to judge that God is the sort of god who keeps his promises in order to rely on that promise.
Sure, but why is taking a life wrong?Killing is taking a life. The hope or belief the child will survive and it being gods command doesnt excuse that killing is taking a life.
I agree: religious claims of an afterlife often end up being dehumanizing and dismissive to the value of human life in the here-and-now.That is a good argument; and, I cant reconcile how taking a life is a good or correct thing. Its like saying I am not worth the life Ive been given because there is a promise of heaven elsewhere.
... while enabling the person who was killed the enjoyment of Heaven for longer. A net win.I would think that is Why we want to live ans "want others to live" because that some of us want to go to heaven.
Short cutting the journey to heaven defeats the beauty of having life on earth.
You keep on asserting this, but so far you haven't given any reasons behind it.Killing can be justifiable "and" that doesnt mean it is good. In my opinion, because it is not good nothing can justify it.
It is written that God is a God of life.What criteria do you use to tell God and Shatan apart?
Sure, but why is taking a life wrong?
I agree: religious claims of an afterlife often end up being dehumanizing and dismissive to the value of human life in the here-and-now.
... but this is implied by the claims themselves. The only way to avoid this is to get rid of the claim: if there is no Heaven, then life is precious and should not be taken lightly. If there is a Heaven, then this is just a second-rate prelude to the life that really matters.
... while enabling the person who was killed the enjoyment of Heaven for longer. A net win.
You keep on asserting this, but so far you haven't given any reasons behind it.
So God never commands anyone to kill?It is written that God is a God of life.
God speaks of Shatan (Satan) as the great deceiver and father of lies. The other side of the coin.
Tricky wot? Abraham was told to do so as a test, but God gave him a goat to sacrifice in place of his son.So God never commands anyone to kill?
And - according to the story - Abraham didn't say "no! I refuse! My God would not want me to kill my son!" Abraham accepted that God might want his son killed, and he's held up as a noble example of faith because of it.Tricky wot? Abraham was told to do so as a test, but God gave him a goat to sacrifice in place of his son.
What do you mean? You were the one who used the word "God" in the first place.But changing your deity to God is a bit unfair.
My answer is no, I would not kill anyone's child just because someone told me to. If I heard a voice telling me to kill it, tell me how I would know it was my god's voice.