Maybe that is why a person might need TWO gods. 
Or three if you want to count the invisible one.
Or three if you want to count the invisible one.
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If your deity asked you to kill your child, would you do it?
- Thread starter Taylor Seraphim
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Draka
Wonder Woman
No. Mainly because I would probably believe myself crazy. I would have to doubt myself that that was actually requested of me. I can not even entertain the idea She would ask anyone to do such a thing, being Mother Herself, so I would be convinced that either I was going batcrap crazy or whatever entity had made such a request was an impostor.
It's comforting to me that so many theists in this thread have taken this position. I'm glad you're comfortable enough with judging your god(s) to come to this conclusion.
Haha KNOWING, not judging.
I know my spouse will never hurt me. I am not judging him. But go ahead and slip it in that we do not know God.
Anyone who says something like "God would not do this" has judged God's nature and the moral quality of the act being considered and decided that they're incompatible. You can't come to this conclusion without judging God.
Saying it thusly is judging God. You are right. What about this? The God I worship does not do such things. (Not would not do). I know God. OK?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Killing is taking a life. The hope or belief the child will survive and it being gods command doesnt excuse that killing is taking a life.
That is a good argument; and, I cant reconcile how taking a life is a good or correct thing. Its like saying I am not worth the life Ive been given because there is a promise of heaven elsewhere.
I would think that is Why we want to live ans "want others to live" because that some of us want to go to heaven.
Short cutting the journey to heaven defeats the beauty of having life on earth.
Killing can be justifiable "and" that doesnt mean it is good. In my opinion, because it is not good nothing can justify it.
I am not aware that The God asks anyone to do GOOD things. Why on Earth would The God ask someone to do BAD things?
OK Abraham. Though God did not ASK him to do that to his son. I think the story goes that he was commanded to do it. And it was not a bad thing that was commanded. The story shows me that is what is most important is to pay attention.
I do not know if Abraham was already mentioned in this thread. I do not read eight pages of forum in one day.
I do not know if Abraham was already mentioned in this thread. I do not read eight pages of forum in one day.
You might be able to get to "the God I worship hasn't done such things so far", but making predictions about what God will do right now or in the future involves judging God.
Even if you had some sort of promise from God to go on (BTW- do you?), you would still have to judge that God is the sort of god who keeps his promises in order to rely on that promise.
Interesting. It is true that I would not know if my husband might hurt me if he came down with Alzheimer's disease. In the future might my god order me to kill my child? Perhaps. Then I would become an atheist. No?
No, I don't think so
True. So then being atheist is the smart way to go. Everyone knows I am not smart.
Sure, but why is taking a life wrong?
I agree: religious claims of an afterlife often end up being dehumanizing and dismissive to the value of human life in the here-and-now.
... but this is implied by the claims themselves. The only way to avoid this is to get rid of the claim: if there is no Heaven, then life is precious and should not be taken lightly. If there is a Heaven, then this is just a second-rate prelude to the life that really matters.
... while enabling the person who was killed the enjoyment of Heaven for longer. A net win.
You keep on asserting this, but so far you haven't given any reasons behind it.
It is written that God is a God of life.
God speaks of Shatan (Satan) as the great deceiver and father of lies. The other side of the coin.
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
In Buddhism we, Bodhisatvas are to help save others from suffering (or teach for modern words). The Buddha taught taking a life is pretty much defeating that purpose. We get to nibanna, knowing the full nature of life and rebirth, by knowing nothing is perminent. So, if I die, it was my time. But to have someone take myvlife and cut it short, I believe what the Buddha says, doing such is causing the killer to buikd bad karma. I dont want bad karma and killing is the biggest way to build that up.
Non religiously speaking, our bodies are made to be born, age, go through sickness, and die. It fights to stay alive as long as it can. Why short cut our time on earth given our bodies dont quite work "to" die but die natually?
Killing also is wrong in my personal view because I am cutting off my family generation. Granted Im not male as so wished and not straight to "techically" carry our familys name through blood, to take my life would cut that tie.
Its morally direspectful (puting it lightly) to the family with whom that child has. If I had the energy and health, my goal would be to advocate and help others overseas and other ways I can with my condition and others.
My almost dying and other people who value life after suicide and getting over terminal illness temp is worth it.
Taking a child (or any persons) life cuts these reasons up.
It disturbs me to even think someone of sound mind would want to do that. Even most christians I talk to say no before they say yes.
I never heard one who said yes point blank. If thats a Islamic belief, its not attractive.
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So God never commands anyone to kill?
Tricky wot? Abraham was told to do so as a test, but God gave him a goat to sacrifice in place of his son.
But changing your deity to God is a bit unfair.
I am of the opinion that it is the scribes/prophets who inserted their own vengeful feelings into the writings.
And - according to the story - Abraham didn't say "no! I refuse! My God would not want me to kill my son!" Abraham accepted that God might want his son killed, and he's held up as a noble example of faith because of it.
What do you mean? You were the one who used the word "God" in the first place.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
I do not know, why do you think anything is actually from your god?